Holy smokes, it’s totally wild that this is happening at all. We’re seeing people actually go out en masse and directly interfering with ICE. That’s huge. I love to see it.
Next step is to show up armed
Yeah, peaceful resistance will probably be handled a bit differently by the cops if everyone in the crowd has a shotgun over their shoulder. Without even brandishing or using them, just knowing that they’re there changes the equation a lot. Reminds me of that part of Winter on Fire (a documentary on the 2014 Maidan protests) when the protestors have had enough and declare that they’re going to march on the capitol building as armed protestors, and the president can choose to be there or not. After months of shooting and killing unarmed protestors, the cops fucking bailed immediately.
There’s a reason they’re using 6-12 officers to arrest one middle-aged mother. They know the communities they enter hate them and they are terrified of bystanders ganging up on them or worse, ambushing them with firearms.
I don’t think there is a “peaceful show of force” in this scenario. The second a cop sees a civilian carrying a long arm walking up to them, pistols are leaving their holsters and they’ll start screaming commands just like they’re trained. The first shot fired is inevitable from there.
There’s also a reason they haven’t gone after actual gang members that might be armed. They’re arresting the people that show up to their immigration appointments and have diligently updated their address whenever they moved.
The first time I had a gun pulled on me (heh first time gj America) was a cop while was playing with a laser pointer in a church parking lot. I was like 13.
Why would you “walk up” with a long arm?
The comment I replied to appeared to suggest that if everyone together brandished firearms at the cops as a show of force, the cops would simply slink away in fear without a shot being fired or anyone being further hurt. Something I would not count on.
Yeah, I wouldn’t either, sure as fuck not alone.
It really, really, really depends on numbers. You get obviously more people with long guns (not even brandishing, just having them sling over) than there are cops who firmly let them know that they should get scarce, then yeah, that’s exactly what will happen. Cops have been taught to “go home at the end of the day”, whatever it takes, and that typically means eight of them shooting one suspect 200 times. That math changes REAL quick when it’s an armed crowd.
That’s how it went down with the Bundy standoff.
Cops are fucking coward/bully ( same thing i know ) that why protest need to crank up the fear factor if they dont fear the fascist will continu there is no peaceful solution to this america is at war with himself but only the axis of evil is fighting for now
Right wing ideologies inherently depend on fear.
They are all cowards who will crumple under the first signs of resistance.
Yep present warrants or gtfo
“bUt tHaT wiLL mAkE tRuMp dEcLaRe MaRtIal Law!!”
Yeah New England is at least a small pocket of sanity for now
I can’t wait until ICE agents start seeing how some of us with guns defend ourselves.
At some point they risk re-enacting that scene with the little girl in “V for Vendetta” where the people have finally had enough with the brownshirts and swarm them. As they deserve IMO.
this will keep escalating….
also i’m thinking that’s probably why they’re moving national guard into cities and all that…I think that was the goal. To justify emergency powers enactment. Then delay election. Etc etc.
All classic ways of a coup unfolding.
i wish this was still just crazy conspiracy talk, and not perfectly plausible conspiracy observations…
Whose says they’re moving the Guard into cities? I know Trump is angling to give them more power.
They just did this in Albuquerque. 71 Guard soldiers are there to “assist” police - ostensibly, they’re simply there to “free up” police from the mundanity of things like traffic accidents, wellness checks, etc, so they can “focus on crime”.
Overtly, this is slow-rolling the idea of using armed forces to occupy cities on home soil.
A) ICE had to call the local PD to bail them out. That’s significant, as it shows the government doesn’t have the manpower to maintain their terror campaign without local support.
B) The City Manager’s statement doesn’t seem to condemn the crowd at all. The statement (or at least what’s quoted) only criticizes ICE. Given that about 25 citizens were ready to throw hands at federal agents, that feels huge.
C) Worcester has a statue of a guy fucking a turtle in the center of town. Not relevant to the story, but I have to bring it up whenever Worcester is in the news. I hope you enjoy it (though the turtle clearly didn’t).
A1) Let it be known and not forgotten that Worcester Police are collaborators.
B1) The dichotomy of the political leadership condemning ICE and the police backing them up is noted.
B2) I expect there to be a concerted but quiet effort from federal law enforcement to identify and target the crowd members regardless of how the locals feel.
Turtle rape as a tasteful statue was not on my expected things to encounter today, but somehow I am glad I did.
Its one of the least distateful things I’ve seen reading about politics today.
Worcester is a weirdly fascinating city
Too bad I will not see it. It seems like it was a zany place.
you dont know, the turtle could be a freak
Guy: I love you, turtle!
Turtle:
The police protecting the ICE thugs and targeting the good samaritans should result in every single one of them facing the same Nuremberg style trials as the I E gestapo.
That might be the turtle’s pleasure face. We dont know. Could be the best day of that turtles life. Any turtle bestiality experts here that can help us out?
The Wikipedia article is bonkers.
Harvey began to hear voices coming from the unfinished statue commanding him to take his own life.
Bonkers.
A) Fucking kill them.
They stopped heroic bystanders who saw a crime in progress and actually did something to stop it.
So I watched a video of it and as soon as the “police department” (as in not ICE) showed up and said to disperse cuz this is an unlawful protest, everyone stopped blocking the ICE vehicle. yt link - nypost - aprox 10 min no commentary
IDK How I’d react in this situation so I’m not critical of the human reactions here ,but wtf, unlawful protest!! What a weak threat! Is speaking out and fighting against fascist unlawful action happening RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU an unlawful protest? No. Would I be brave enough to face the bullshit consequences? Probably not, if I’m being honest with myself. But we need to recognize when the threats are also unlawful bullshit at least, right?
Fuck the Nazi SS and any foreign trash animal that works for them. These are not humans.
Why are foreigners “trash animals?” 🤔
Because they work with the Nazi SS?
Not at all what I said, or remotely in context of the allegory.
It may not have been what you intended, but it’s what I received as well.
You may want to clarify your intent, is all.Yeah I’m struggling to understand why the word “foreign” is in that sentence at all.
Yeah I don’t get why foreign is in there either lol
But fuck Nazis, that’s for sure.
not patriotic; not of the culture; targeting the exact motivation of these halfwits in a word. It has nothing to do with simple literal meaning; none of it does
unknown liquid… sounds so sinister doesnt it. Bitch cops love to make press releases to steer public opinion with absolute contrived nonsense. It’ll be water or soda. It always comes out that they were exagerating and lying to help their contrived self serving fantasy story.
Arm Yourselves tyranny is here.
ICE will get someone killed. Either they pull the trigger or someone actually uses the 2nd amendment.
if the police actually cared they’d drop the charges against the members of the crowd
If the police actually cared they would have joined the crowd.
Arguably, ICE was engaging in kidnapping with the intent to violate someone’s Fifth Amendment rights. They should have intervened against ICE.
Its also human trafficking
