Republicans have been confidently and fully wrong about economics for like a hundred years now dude, a republican making up economic bullshit that will hurt the American people should not be a surprise.

Yeah my problem is (mostly) with the DNC and Dem leadership. Did see him doing that, which is impressive for sure.

You know what, seems you might be right I assumed they had him open and then had quiet prayer time for a few minutes which at least lets others pray but it might just be a short sermon from the chaplain. While they’ve had non-Christian ones as guests… yeah.

Yeah I think the largest reason a lot of people are more upset with DNC over refusing progressive policy is that well, there’s still plenty of leftist policy that people would not go for so something like PSL, whose last candidates were talking about nationalizing the top 100 companies would not be something I could see people getting behind. And yeah, the internet is the internet, I just wish people didn’t get so stuck in their ways that leftists are tankies or vegans are snobby assholes or etc. like sure some of those people exist but most real humans aren’t those stereotypes. But oh well.

I mean, that’s fine. They’re allowed to pray. Everyone is. That’s the point of freedom of religion. Now if it was mandatory Christian prayer time for everyone that would be an issue, as separation of church and state means no laws enforcing one specific religion.

Allowing people to pray at noon allows Muslims to have their noon prayer, and anyone else can pray then as well so it makes sense why noon.

Glad we can at least agree on some things. I just try and stop people from attacking the leftists because most still will vote down ballot, which helps with congress and local elections and local amendments and other ballot measures, but stopping them from voting means losing all of that. Can’t really blame them for not voting for a party that refuses to represent them. I’d rather encourage someone to vote third party than not vote.

And yeah, while I understand immigration is something people think about, that was honestly one of the biggest things to piss me off. We did not need to validate their bullshit racist irrational fears and decide to be “hard on immigration.” Like, stop playing by their bullshit games and do something right.

So, what’s your plan on passive progressive policy? Keep voting for centrists that keep campaigning with republicans? That remove third parties from elections? That run attack ads on third parties? That refuse primaries? We keep doing that and the party is going to be where republicans are now in 20 years. If the DNC refuses to adopt progressive policies, they lose. That’s not my fault. They would rather Trump win than give up their power. Can’t support a party that doesn’t represent me. I would like it to, but it refuses.

Yall need to understand people criticize the DNC because they want it to be better. Most progressives still vote, and even if they did not vote for Harris, they voted down ballot. But when you sue to remove their candidate from the ballot, then they don’t show up and then you lose those local elections. When you continuously attack progressives and defend the DNC’s choice to abandon progress after it had the biggest victory it’s had running on the promise of progress in 2008, you’re helping to cause voter apathy and that leads to losing local elections. Which leads to republicans controlling the house and senate and presidency.

lol I did not vote for Jill Stein. Also, if you think Harris would’ve magically stopped Israel from continuously killing Palestinians during a ceasefire… well… they didn’t. Nor did they stop the entire genocide happening while Biden was in charge. It would have been… less public? Cool? I guess?

The democrats won’t pass anything progressive either, so it’s not like my progressive dreams were gonna happen if Harris won. And like, the genocide shit was one single point of the many things that were issues for her. One of the most obvious things she could have done to signal she is not Biden and will listen to constituents.

Like I understand foreign policy in the Middle East is a lot but acting like there’s nothing we could do about us sending bombs to commit genocide, while we were actively telling Ukraine they could not attack Russia using our weapons, is just silly. (Yes we did eventually let them attack Russia, but the fact that there was a time they had to hold off, meanwhile our bombs are dropping on civilians in Gaza, is wild.)

I mean… she also said she was going to be tough on immigration, continue to give bombs to Israel to destroy Gaza, not break from Biden on basically anything, toured with the fucking Cheneys, and plenty of other … great… things. Not to mention she had a late start… after primaries could have happened…. So… yeah. Lot of reasons she did not do great. Plus a lot of her “progressive” stuff was…. Eh…. Child tax credits already a thing just keeping it isn’t exactly progressive, I don’t remember much on the housing but her business stuff was also something that sounded nice but was also… not much. Like you wanna help small businesses then pass Medicare for all dude, when a small business doesn’t have to compete with free health care, they have a much better chance.

I mean, there’s plenty of progressive policies at like 60% support or more from what I remember for the whole country? I think it’s a harder sell to the DNC to allow a progressive policy than it is to the actual constituents.

Also, I think Clinton and Harris had larger problems other than being a woman, but I do agree it could be a problem for AOC. I’m not particularly pushing for her to be the candidate, but the first that comes to mind that’s possible.

Ehh just sounds like the excuses they always come up with on why oh no we caaaantttttttt. Fox News is gonna call literally every single democrat a fucking communist it literally doesn’t matter. Just run someone who progresses the party. Stop caring about republicans & Fox News, and start worrying about having a party people care about enough to get off their ass and vote.

I mean, like I said Obama was fine. He listened, which is great. That’s why he was my example. He wasn’t perfect, but he was good enough for everyone. I am fine with that. But Clinton and Biden and Harris have all pushed back against progressives and embraced republican shit and like… no. We need to get better as a party, not worse. People won’t vote for shit democrats, but the DNC refuses to learn that, and will actively fight to keep money in politics, keep old centrists in power, and fight against progressives.

And uh, AoC is a fairly popular democratic figure that supports progressive ideals. She’s not perfect, but I mean, she’s decent. If the DNC doesn’t spend 5x the legal limit of donations fighting against her like they did Bernie with their “victory fund” (aka ensure a Clinton victory by breaking campaign finance laws fund) she would have a pretty good chance. But… I doubt the DNC learns their lesson… ever.

I mean idk if you know the word perfect.

This whole thing started cuz someone was saying progressives need a PERFECT candidate. We don’t. We just need someone who is not actively fighting AGAINST us. A DNC who is pro democracy, not suing to remove 3rd parties from ballots. Not attacking third parties. Someone willing to listen to constituents and adapt policy, plenty of extremely popular policies/positions. Like ranked choice/STAR/etc. voting, universal health care, get money out of politics, etc. I’m not asking for someone to kill all landlords or nationalize the top 100 companies or anything crazy.

Like I said, Obama was ok. He wasn’t perfect, but he at least was adaptable which is why plenty of people would vote for him. He wanted change, we need change, hell Trump won because he will change things. Not for the better, but people are stupid and want any change, since clearly what we currently have is not working. Biden and Clinton were both promising to basically keep things exactly the same, while actively fighting against progress and courting republicans. Kamala just Echoed Biden and also decided to adopt Republican border policy.

Jesus. Saying a candidate is perfect, thus there was literally nothing they could have done or been better on… just because they won… is insane. Like, again, I am not saying Obama was terrible. He was fine. But fucking far from perfect.

Saying Obama was literally perfect is just… extremely wild. I mean he was fine, I had issues but whatever, enough to vote for him at least. Issue is plenty of normal milquetoast ass democrats have not voted since Obama because fucking republican-$50 ass candidates do not energize the base. They see no point in going to vote for “nothing will fundamentally change.” Pretending it’s progressives fault is literally the problem with democrats. Progressives literally have been shown to be one of the highest % voting block, and most do still vote Dem, and even those who don’t it’s much less than those that vote libertarian/constitution party. Like, half as many. Yet democrats spend more energy fighting 3rd party candidates than they do fighting republicans. Adopt more Republican policy than progressive policy. Shits just fucking sad.

Fucking Lol.

Ok but there’s a large gap between perfect and whatever the fuck you wanna call Joe Biden. Like, Obama was not perfect. Dude was against gay marriage until he changed his mind before his 2nd term. Had he not, he very likely would have lost. But he decided to listen to humans. He was willing to change and ran a campaign for change. Biden ran on “nothing will fundamentally change.” Which… literally no one wants. Theres a lot of reasons democrats have not wanted to vote for the democratic candidate, and thinking like “well trump sucks so it doesn’t matter if ours also sucks.”

So because republicans are willing to vote for a piece of shit candidate so should democrats? Fucking lol.

Ahh the free market. Free from people voting with their wallets as we will now force people to buy ads on twitter, purchase Teslas, and purchase anything that we disagree with now I guess.