• ahornsirup@feddit.org
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    4 days ago

    Two bad things can be true at the same time.

    Israel is currently engaged in ethnic cleansings in Gaza and the West Bank.

    True.

    Many of Israel’s neighbours would “drive the Jews into the sea” if they ever got the chance.

    Also true.

    The answer to genocide is not inviting more genocide.

    And yes, nukes are effective as a deterrent. Look at how reluctant the West is to support Ukraine against a genocidal invasion because of Russia’s repeated nuclear threats. There’s no way any country is going to give up its nuclear weapons after Ukraine showed just how little security guarantees from the great powers are actually worth.

    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4 days ago

      many of israels neighbors would “drive the jews into the sea” if they ever got the chance

      Maybe in the 60s and 70s but every one of israels neighbors, except Saudi Arabia, have normalized relations. Saudi Arabia has no intention of attacking Israel and risking there relationship with the west, nukes or no nukes. Syria just got invaded by them and all there new islamist government has given was a light denouncement. If this were the hay day of Israel hate they wouldve called for a jihad to clear out the jews, times change.

      The largest actor on their borders seeking their destruction is hezbollah, and they’ve proven they can’t even defend south Lebanon, much less march on tel Aviv.

      Also Israel has shown repeatedly that it can defend itself fine against its neighbors without nukes, even if all there neighbors team up to attack them.

    • BertramDitore@lemm.ee
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      4 days ago

      Those are good points, especially on nuclear deterrence re: Russia. I think Israel could be considered to be a bit different in that sense, since their nuclear program (that we know exists) is still technically a secret. But I think I’m probably wrong on how all that works, so good call.