The filibuster is expected to go through the night, against fast-tracked nominees by the Trump Administration. Booker’s protest appears to be in response to a recent wave of Republican nominees being fast-tracked through the confirmation process, many of whom are aligned with Trump’s second-term agenda and Elon Musk’s increasingly influential role in federal advisory circles.

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    This is stupid lie that Schumer was peddling.

    Trump could have vetoed the budget and forced a shutdown. If he got more power that way don’t you think he would have?

    Stop acting like the ten Democrats that didn’t get the memo were somehow justified in messing up the nation.

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      I do think the blame would have more easily been shifted onto the dems dontya think? Not to mention he wants a shutdown to enact marshal law or whatever

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      Came here to say this. They’re effectively dismantling the government anyway. This is in no way changing the trajectory. In fact government employees who would be impacted by the shutdown and the dismantling were pleading with Schumer to shut it down. Not only that but Trump and Republicans would have owned the shut down because it is on their watch that it would have happened. Additionally, everything they’re doing including doge is wildly unpopular so it would have shown the American people that democrats oppose it. But now Democrats just look like they’re abetting this dismantling of the federal government and they look spineless, weak, and rudderless. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

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      That’s what his assistant told me when I demanded an explanation for his dissent. Now I need to confirm if that’s true. I’m going to flip out when I call later if they fucking lied to me!

      Edit: It appears to be true. A lack of funding would justify large scale reduction in force in accordance with Trump’s Executive Order 14210. I’m still going to ask for details when I call later.

      https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/don-t-use-shutdown-plans-to-slash-the-federal-workforce

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        Again, if it were so true and advanced Trump’s goals, why didn’t he veto the CR? Why did he push republicans to vote for it? Why was the Federal Workers Union opposed to it passing?

        You edited up above that “it’s temporary”. No, it isn’t. It wasn’t a clean CR and it vested a lot more power into the administration to make budget decisions. A shutdown would have been temporary, but it also would have caused a massive shock to the stock market (which is almost certainly the real reason Schumer and crew voted for it).

        Why are you calling the propaganda office to get answers? Do you think Schumer’s staffers are going to tell you anything other than “This was the absolute most perfect and most bestest thing Schumer could have done!”. It’s literally their jobs to justify Schumers actions.

        This bill supercharged and codified the DOGE actions. Now, instead of having any sort of leverage to stop the Trump admin and Elon from their actions. Instead of strong arming the republicans to actually compromise on SOMETHING in the budget bill. Schumer and crew have given them everything they asked for and they walked away with smiles on their faces. Literally. Republican senators were shocked and delighted it went through.

        All but 1 house democrat voted against this. All but 10 senate democrats voted against this. The vast majority of democrats in congress understood that this was a really dumb bill to let through. Stop listening to Schumer propaganda and just think about this. Schumer, as the senate majority leader, went against the will of his party.

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          You don’t understand what a CR is if you think it’s permanent. A continuing resolution is stopgap funding when a budget reconciliation fails to be passed.

          Read the link I provided. It explains how Trump’s existing executive order grants him the ability to refuse return on non-essential employees under three conditions. A lack of funding is one of them.

          As for why he didn’t veto, I honestly don’t know. It’s a good question. Maybe he’s trying to win his indiscriminate termination hearings in appeal first? He’ll have another chance in September, since the CR is temporary.

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            You don’t understand what a CR is if you think it’s permanent. A continuing resolution is stopgap funding when a budget reconciliation fails to be passed.

            You don’t understand how Congress works. A CR isn’t used when Budget Reconciliation isn’t passed. It’s used when spending bills don’t pass.

            The "normal’ (or what’s supposed to be normal) process for funding the government is that the Congress passes a Budget, which is a set of funding guidelines, but doesn’t actually allocate money. That budget is then used by various committees to write appropriations bills, which is what actually allows the government to spend money. Those spending bills are typically supposed to only cover 1 year, with new appropriations given every year.

            Except Congress has been a dysfunctional mess for decades. They rarely actually pass Budget or appropriations bills. That’s why we’re always under these shutdown threats, because Congress doesn’t work as it’s supposed to. So when they come down to crunch time and can’t pass spending bills, they pass a Continuing Resolution (CR). A CR is an appropriations bill, but instead of using a recent budget as a guideline, the CR just says “continue funding the government at the exact levels it was with these minor adjustments” (usually cutting funding by 2-5% and/or increasing in specific areas, like disaster relief if there was just a hurricane or something).

            A CR, just like a normal appropriations bill, funds only to a set level. They don’t have a time limit in that they say “funding will stop on X date”, but they know how fast the government spends money, so they can predict that $XXX will last YYY days. In that way, they can say “fund $XXX worth” knowing that will expire on a certain date. CRs are just as “permanent” as any appropriations bill

            A Budget Reconciliation is a completely different thing. It’s a process that allows the Senate to adjust existing spending bills while bypassing the 60 vote threshold for cloture required by the filibuster rules. When the Congress writes a spending bill, they include language within it to say, “this portion of the budget can later be adjusted through reconciliation”. The intention is to strip out particularly contentious parts of the larger bill to allow the larger bill to pass while letting Congress then address the stickier issue on its own. So, for example, you don’t have to hold up funding national parks just because you can’t decide how much to spend on a new military drone program, for example.

            However, since Reconciliation allows the majority party to bypass the filibuster, it’s use is primarily to pass legislation that the majority knows they can’t do through normal legislation (due to the 60 vote threshold the filibuster puts on everything). There are certain rules which I can get into if you want that limit what types of things can be done through reconciliation and how often. But your framing in your comment above about how CRs are supposedly temporary until a Reconciliation Bill is passed is just flat out wrong.

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            You don’t understand what a CR is if you think it’s permanent. A continuing resolution is stopgap funding when a budget reconciliation fails to be passed.

            A CR is just a title applied to a bill. This wasn’t a CR, it was named a CR. Just calling something a “CR” means nothing. If this were actually a CR the dems in the house and most of the senate dems would not have opposed it.

            As for Trump’s executive orders, those are just decrees that can be legally challenged. Much like Trump decreeing “The 14th amendment no longer counts” just saying it doesn’t make it so.

            Again, Even if we take the veto out of the equation, have you thought about why the Federal Workers union was opposed to this “CR”? Why would the union for the workers that would have been most impacted by a shutdown oppose a simple stopgap CR?

            https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-employees-union-tells-congress-132950031.html