• PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catOP
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    Oh, other question: Is Russia’s current set of actions more likely to produce the result:

    • Everyone on their border relaxes about having to join NATO, definitely not going to join NATO now
    • Everyone on or near their border is interested in any defensive alliance they can get their hands on, trains actively to resist a Russian invasion, ideally tries to aim for nuclear weapons in the future

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    Since you’re right that Russia was totally just pushing back NATO encirclement, I feel like they must have achieved goal #1. Also their military has been showing it’s a hell of a force to be reckoned with. Obviously.

    • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      NATO has never been a “defensive alliance” its entire formation and purpose was to destroy communist movements and stifle their progress, also NATO was literally founded with a bunch of Nazis in high positions of power.

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        Yeah. But Russia isn’t communist though. NATO is just for stifling dissent from the US hegemony there’s no ideology beyond that.

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          I think that’s more an issue of the organization having achieved its original goal of destroying the Soviet Union but institutions like to continue to exist so they had to find another big bad to focus on.

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        Sounds good. Which result is this more likely to produce? I feel like maybe you meant to respond to someone else’s message, since you missed the question I asked in mine.

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                  Okay fine, it’s because of aforementioned western racism and chauvinism brainworms to jump to North Korea to try to insult communists. Just like you are scare mongering in the vein of “asiatic hordes” by your framing of this war in Ukraine.

                  Now I’m done.

                  Happy Easter

                  Also it’s Ēostre. I’m not a Christian.

                  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catOP
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                    I wasn’t insulting communists. Russia is not communist. It’s a gangster-capitalist imperialist oligarchy, which is why it’s weird that tankies go to bat for it.

                    I was insulting Russia for tanking their own economy by starting a punitive and barbaric war against their neighbor and then fucking up the war and their own relations with the entire rest of the world. There was no insult to North Korea, I was simply holding them up as an example of one of the handful of countries that Russia can still trade with. I do also like to insult North Korea but for reasons that have nothing at all to do with racism.

                    Want me to replace it with Iran? I have a great deal more respect for Iran than I do for either Russia or North Korea and the joke still works. It would also technically be accurate to say that they can still trade with China, which sort of undoes the joke a little bit and makes it not funny. But that would be racist also, too? I guess, since bringing up a country populated by non-white people is automatically racist in your mind? I think Iran, like I say that one I have respect for so there’s no room for accidental racist implication. Want me to replace it with Iran?