Even if you consider it a pronoun, which you’d then also have to do with “class” in “Class, please open the book at page 14”, it’s still second person plural. Arguments against “class” and chat" being a pronoun include that they’re nouns, I think that’s rather convincing.
Fourth person would be “One does not simply walk into Mordor”. “One does not address the fourth person”. I guess people got it mixed up with the 4th wall that’s why the confusion exists.
I get 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person, but 4th person is a new concept to me and I’m trying tl wrap my head around it given your examples. This is intersting
Edit: OOOOHH so it’s like 3rd person where you’re talking to the second person about another person, BUT instead of that person being a specific person (3rd person) it’s more like a “they/them” kind of thing where it’s not any specific person but just… Anyone at all?
One refers to an indefinite and generic group, and it’s not a “they/them” in the sense that one does not exclude oneself from that group (it’s generic, after all). I guess universal quantification is close in meaning.
It’s a thing specific to English, or I guess Indo-European languages in general. All languages have first, second, and third person anything beyond that is non-standard. E.g. Finnish has a 0th person, “Infer who is meant from context”.
Even if you consider it a pronoun, which you’d then also have to do with “class” in “Class, please open the book at page 14”, it’s still second person plural. Arguments against “class” and chat" being a pronoun include that they’re nouns, I think that’s rather convincing.
Fourth person would be “One does not simply walk into Mordor”. “One does not address the fourth person”. I guess people got it mixed up with the 4th wall that’s why the confusion exists.
I get 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person, but 4th person is a new concept to me and I’m trying tl wrap my head around it given your examples. This is intersting
Edit: OOOOHH so it’s like 3rd person where you’re talking to the second person about another person, BUT instead of that person being a specific person (3rd person) it’s more like a “they/them” kind of thing where it’s not any specific person but just… Anyone at all?
One refers to an indefinite and generic group, and it’s not a “they/them” in the sense that one does not exclude oneself from that group (it’s generic, after all). I guess universal quantification is close in meaning.
It’s a thing specific to English, or I guess Indo-European languages in general. All languages have first, second, and third person anything beyond that is non-standard. E.g. Finnish has a 0th person, “Infer who is meant from context”.