American Militia Members. Where the hell are you? THIS is what you exist for and you are doing NOTHING!
Edit: I’ve only heard “defense against tyranny” as justification for these militias by these militia
American Militia Members. Where the hell are you? THIS is what you exist for and you are doing NOTHING!
Edit: I’ve only heard “defense against tyranny” as justification for these militias by these militia
Wikipedia isn’t a source, Wikipedia references sources. I frequently use Wikipedia links instead of the source itself because it’s western controlled, and therefore less likely to be seen as pro-Communist “propaganda” by people like yourself. Either way, though, the sources I linked are still sound, you’ve done nothing to disprove them and have provided no sources of your own, other than numbers you admitted to have found “on your own,” ie they came to you in a dream.
Out of curiousity, why are you continuing this conversation? You’re only further making my argument look better. Is it for self-satisfaction? A genuine wish to debate? Then why not bring at least one source, or try to counter anything that I’ve said. As it stands, based on the upvotes and downvotes, you’re the only one being laughed at here.
Because I’m hoping people read this and have the wherewithal to actually review the validity of your BS Wikipedia links before they go down a rabbit hole of starvation and misery.
Also you may want to re-read your 2/3 link again for some of the other stats there, and then verify how the polling was done. That was already way more work than I intended to put into this.
Well, seems like your intentions have backfired, and by not putting in any effort, even if you were right, you ended up making my points look more valid. I do recommend people read and look into my sources, hopefully your advice to do so helps create more Socialists.
Yes, I know how the 2/3rds data was gathered, and I am aware of the other countries listed there. It doesn’t invalidate my point, and the data is still sound.
On one final question, what do you mean by a rabbit hole of “starvation and misery?” Countries adopting Socialism got more food secure after doing so. Take the PRC, for example, which recently eliminated extreme poverty in a Socialist economy. If 15 million people per year are dying due to poverty, sounds like we need to move beyond Capitalism and into Socialism.
We don’t agree on much, but I am not against the kind of socialism China employs. The PRC is a great example of a hybrid between socialism and capitalism.
Their party system is a farce dictatorship and the level of surveillance they conduct on their people, the social credit system, etc. are blatant violations of human nature, and I can’t support that. But the concept of a their mix of the two systems is excellent. But that is not actual communism by any stretch. That’s what I would call a perfect hybrid system that I was eluding to earlier.
I really don’t think you’re in a position to tell China what their economic model is. They aren’t a hybrid between Capitalism and Socialism, but firmly Socialist, because their large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, while the Private Sector is dominated by small industry and self-proprietors. This is straight from Marx, who believed that markets themselves centralize and therefore build up the large industry public ownership thrives on.
Again, if you want to learn more about Socialism and Communism, I am more than willing to walk you through theory. That would be a much more productive conversation, I would think. However, you have a very clear tendency to speak confidently on matters you have not studied, such as claiming China is a “hybrid system” just because it follows classical Marxism.
You also rapid-fired more unsourced claims, so I’ll address those:
China is a democracy. It is not a liberal democracy, where multiple parties compete, but a Socialist democracy. You can watch a quick video from Chinese state media on how it functions, or how elections work. Over 90% of Chinese citizens approve of their government, and the majority believes they have a democratic impact on policy, at a higher rate than the US.
Social Credit doesn’t really exist in China. There’s a version for businesses, but not the often memed about version of a totalitarian spy state.
The US has more CCTVs per Capita than the PRC. A large factor is due to China’s lower crime rates, due to having better working class protections and safety nets.
So, to return, China is Socialist. The presence of markets are only with respect to where Marxists would want markets, as Marxists believe you must develop out of markets, not simply make them illegal and punish them. If you approve of this system of publicly owning and planning firms as they get larger and leaving small businesses and cooperatives free to develop into these large firms before aquiring them, you might just be a Communist!
Bold of you to think I haven’t studied this.
You give it away when you said the US isn’t really Capitalist. It’s pretty clear that, at minimum, you haven’t studied Marxism in any capacity. You also are quick to dismiss evidence and even quicker to firehose a bunch of claims without any sources too, so that doesn’t help your case either.