Reading comprehension. Read again, slower this time.

Lies and projection, impressive. As proof I point to your very first post in this thread chain. Go ahead look at your post now back to mine post again, then back to yours. Who’s the juvenile toxic one? Oh BTW you offered no receipts. You made an empty claim without even a link to a single post.

Let me show you how to do it. You are well known for not being able to handle anyone who disagrees with you. No matter how respectfully. Resorting to juvenile tactics and name calling, such as blue maga. In an attempt to discredit the arguments and points of others. Because you cannot put forth any cogent defense of your viewpoints. You shrilly shouted it plenty.

My only stance was that statistically, mathematically, historically, evidentially, and traditionally a Democrat or a Republican would win the presidency. That we should pick our battles and focus on keeping the fascist out. Nothing more nothing less. You were the one running Purity tests attacking the candidates we had. Fantasizing over candidates we didn’t. Focusing on being part of the group that helped keep constant attacks on Democrats in the news and not the fact that their opponent was a literal fascist that would be the end of us. And while Democrats are plenty to blame for their own failures. You factor in as well. I never advocated for any particular candidate.(against plenty) Just to keep the fascist out. But please do point a link to an actual quote of me saying otherwise. Would have if you could have. But you didn’t. Because as I said before, all you have is juvenile emotion and projection.

Oh and I stand by the statement in that image in general. As history has born it out but it doesn’t show what you say it does. Maga blindly things to emotion and ideology over reality. As people like yourself do

Sure go ahead. It won’t disprove anything I said. But that wasn’t the point was it? It was all about deflection and distraction. Because you don’t have a response to it. You know it’s true. And you just proved it. My sins real or imagined won’t change that. Have a nice day😀

They’re not upset you appeared to criticize a Democrat. They’re juvenilly incensed that you dared push back against the propaganda they fully believe. With the most feint of defense of a Democrat. Check their history. Dingdong don’t do nuance or maturity. You’re fine.

This. There’s no honor among crooks and thieves. If anything this could be the collapse of a lot of other alliances. Russia and Iran’s General cordiality and cooperation has largely been based on shared opposition of the west. Now that our government has been thoroughly corrupted by them and the lunatics who live here. Alienating all our friends and allies. They’ll likely turn their sights on each other.

It only exposes for those who have no idea what conservatives stand for. This is standard behavior for them.

Yep. All thanks to ya boy Putin. Seeing as you support him, especially vs Ukraine. That makes you… Pro gestapo? How does that work?

Then you work to change that before the election. Not during the election.

Keep playing checkers while they play chess and wonder why things continue to get worse. With allies like you we certainly don’t need enemies.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say. Continue acting childish while refusing to acknowledge your own role in this fiasco?

There was only ever going to be a Democrat or Republican president in this election. Useful tools like yourself made such a big noise around it that you manage to actually hurt your own cause. Drowning out much of the Articles news and talk about Trump being a literal actual fascist. And driving news coverage more about the Democrats. Which should I point out would not be doing this if they were in office. For all their problems.

You accusing others of keeping their head in the sand uninformed is hilarious. And massively cringe.

Especially considering that that means they believe there’s no enforcement or punishments that the judicial branch will be able to Leverage to provide relief. And that it is worth destroying their actual reputation as a law firm. Throwing away all possible future clients in order to serve a fascist. Who the hell would hire anyone from a law firm that wouldn’t even defend themselves. How can you expect them to defend you?

True. But destruction only makes things worse not better. This has only increased human rights violations and actions against the people. Creating another regime much more like Russia or China. Not improving anything.

It’s why Russia and China invested heavily in trump. This is what they bought him for.

My favorite live action lex luthor

Her predecessors didn’t do that. They were literally using Hotmail and Gmail. Making their performative outrage even more absurd.

Clinton’s server wasn’t strictly to the standards of regulation and laws. But it wasn’t a fucking public email server hosting your grandmother’s Viagra spam.

They only cooperated when it was in their interests. Never when it was against their interests. They will absolutely cooperate again the very next time it is in their interests. Because that’s the only hold the United States has ever really had over them.

That’s kind of how friends and allies work. It’s why they are so quick to dump Trump right now. He’s removed all possible interest for them to cooperate. They’re under no obligation to. Never were. And as such they rightfully kicked his ass to the curb.

And again the talk about imperialism. Specifically the time frame of the last 30 years. Extra suspect. I seem to remember plenty of imperialism right around that time over in europe. Fights over the Falklands specifically with england etc. Hell there’s Russia’s current imperialism against ukraine. Mainland taiwan’s saber rattling against actual Taiwan etc.

Again with the arguments I never made. It’s not about what you’re saying. It’s about your behavior. You’re behaving just like them. There are absolutely some of them that are lost. Just like you are a lost cause. But there are some that can be reached if we simply take the time.

Pug has some problems socializing. But they’re not wrong. You act like Europe has no agency. That they’re nothing but a puppet. Which is a suspect claim on the face of it. The United States absolutely influenced a lot of them. But didn’t force them or puppet them. South America is a slightly different can of worms. But that’s not the accusation you made.

That sort of BS is straight out of the russian/ml propaganda playbook. I’m not saying my country didn’t do heinous shit in our name. They absolutely did and I don’t defend it. But that certainly isn’t justification to Parrot equally bad groups BS.

You know what a lot of historians would also tell you. They weren’t hardcore ideologically aligned. They were responsible for their own actions. But they weren’t predestined to be monsters. But if we consign them to being monsters there’s no better way to make sure they absolutely are monsters.

And like seriously friend, I have no idea who you’re debating against. It isn’t me. I’ve not made any of these claims or statements that you are attacking. And I’m not sure what your goal or objective is beyond looking foolish or overzealously radicalized? But that being the case, mission accomplished? You are honestly behaving as bad as many of the people you are railing against.

Trump is no root. He’s a long festering symptom. Of something that’s been going on in America for more than a hundred years at this point. If it hadn’t been him it would have been someone else eventually.

No they’re still responsible for their actions. No one’s asking you to absolve them. Just not crucify them. I had a similar discussion with a loved one who saw the very same thing and was repulsed by it initially. But ultimately voted for trump in 2024 The repetition of propaganda is very powerful. It can make you disbelieve your eyes and ears. Anyone not just them. But they are going to have to live with it now. However bringing them to our side. Having them fight along with us. Despite their sins. Would be far more preferable than facing them and the actual fascists.

The people of Nazi Germany weren’t monsters. Though they enabled and even did monstrous things at the behest of monsters. The least we could do is not make it easier for the actual monsters to do this again. Offer those “unclean” an opportunity to escape the path they’ve set themselves on and possibly do something to remedy it. If they still refuse then it’s on them and whatever God they’ve failed.