I disagree with your catch 22 statement, my understanding of how our elections work is that Democrats would have lawyers/representatives at locations to verify result as they come in to centralized hubs and also sent out. Especially in hotly contested areas. Voting is so decentralized, there would need to be large swaths of people involved on both the republican and democrat side to allow for vote manipulation. All this is to say, you don’t need to look for election fraud in this situation, it would become apparent when vote tallies are not adding up, and surprising voting numbers are coming from only certain areas. I have found no reliable new organization discussing evidence of election fraud in the form of vote manipulation and if you have a source, I’d be interested in reading about it. Unless I see any evidence, it just seems like left wing conspiracy thinking that does a good job at distracting people and normalizing vote manipulation when there’s already real issues in front of us ( Musk paying people to vote, areas not providing sufficient voting booths for populations making for longer vote times, voter ID laws, etc).

I feel it’s also pretty naive to believe generalizations such as “every accusations is a confession” are perfectly representative. Sure that saying applies a lot to Republicans, but it doesn’t mean its a rule.

I will admit, when I hear election fraud I understand the term to mean, directly subverting election rules. This would entail: changing votes, tallying votes incorrectly, accepting fraudulent votes willingly etc. I don’t believe Trump and company did any of these things, or if they did, not enough to make an impact on the election. I’m willing to accept evidence to the contrary.

Reading the definition of election fraud, it also can include the examples you mentioned (which i would say isn’t in my original and incorrect understanding of election fraud). I do agree that Trump and his team did do many things that subvert a free election including some that you said such as the Musk lotteries, the bomb threats in blue areas, allowing laws that make voting harder in blue areas, etc.

The reason I’m expanding on what kind of election fraud I believe Trump committed is because some of it has evidence, and others (Trump/Musk directly changing votes/not counting votes) just doesn’t have any evidence. I would imagine Democrats and reporters would be very eager to publish this kind of evidence if it existed, but I don’t know of any reliable news organization talking about this. I feel it ultimately servers as a distraction and actually normalizes the idea of election fraud in the form of changing votes.

I mean Trump says a lot of things that are outright lies. That’s not very convincing honestly.

Unless I see some hard evidence, this take just seems like liberal qanon BS.

Trump had a lot of social media help (Elon, benzos, Zuckerberg) and money to help him win the election.

They do have ways of talking of classified information. Coincidentally, it is more tedious than using Signal and you are forced to keep records of those conversations, things that these people didn’t want.

… It’s happening right now bro. You’re alive right now, and we’re having extreme weather events right now.

Climate change isn’t a point in which either before that point nothing happens and after that point something bad happens, instead as we continue with bad practices, things get continually worse.

We’re having extreme heat, right now. Places with longer hurricane seasons, or where hurricanes are now way worse, etc. And things can still worsen.

What you seem to be saying is that, you don’t care about your future and minimizing future issues, but also don’t care about any family or friends that you have. Society has done so much, that here you are born, with Internet access to a federated app, electricity, many of life’s privileges compared to our ancestors, people now and in the future would appreciate what help you can provide now.

…you’re grasping for straws.

You clearly implied that buying Chinese EVs was preferable to buying Teslas…

You clearly implied that buying…

…clearly implied…

You also clearly implied you like and support Nazis. No I won’t provide a quote. But it was clearly implied.

That’s what Buttigieg indicated. There are secure means of communicating classified information, with a process for ensuring people with clearance are the only ones allowed to view this information. I imagine those rules are in place exactly for this reason, to prevent accidental leaks.

The rookies that Trump hired probably didn’t see the harm in doing it in this way, I mean come on, Signal is secure so what is there to worry about?

Who knows what else has been leaked to the wrong people accidentally.

Thanks I deleted it. Not certain how that happened.

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Would this be good publicity or bad publicity for signal?

“Even government officials think we’re secure!”

Or

“Idiots actually think signal is secure for classified information”

Feel free to indicate where I say we should buy Chinese EVs.

Illiterate troll is illiterate. Quote me where I say we should buy Chinese electric vehicles. You’re the only one that says that.

Where did I say to only buy electric vehicles from China?

Donald is pro Tesla (now) not pro EV and definitely is not against combating climate change. With many government incentives for purchasing EV’s going away, Donald placing tariffs on Chinese products ( oh wow, BYD is Chinese, and sells extremely cheap EVs that people would prefer to buy over Teslas when you just look at the cost), Donald potentially putting tariffs on other electric vehicles from foreign countries (well look at that, now Tesla is one of the few non tariffed options along with other american electric cars), and with Teslas were being hawked at the white house, yeah it makes a lot of sense for Elon to support the most corruptible candidate.

Elon doesn’t care about the environment, he only cares about getting his companies ahead. Kamala wouldn’t give HIM special treatment, and it would be hard for him to convince her to do so. Donald just needs some money and he’ll gladly talk about how “everything’s computer” inside a tesla in front of the white house.

And this is really just a distraction from your main point. Destroying Teslas doesn’t negatively affect the environment as badly as Musk supporting Trump, how is actively encouraging climate change.

I thought oats were pretty healthy while also having a good source of fiber…

What?

los angeles map of other protests

Nobody said Elon is smart.

Are you denying that Donald is encouraging fossil fuel usage and by extension worsening climate change? Are you denying that Elon chose to financially support the candidate that would worsen fossil fuel usage?

I’ll be honest, I have no idea what your comment is trying to say. Could you please rewrite this so I can understand it?