Both have their roots in anarcho-capitalist movements
Lolwut? Left wing anarchism is decades older than anarcho-capitalism (which basically started with the austrian school). Do you think Mikhail Bakunin was an Ancap, too?
You’re simply misrepresenting anarchism, homie.
You… should really educate yourself on what libertarianism actually is. Just because the root word “liberty” is in there does not mean it is a socialist concept.
It seems to me that @dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com actually has a better grasp on the historical context of “libertarianism” than you.
“Libertarian socialist” was what you called collectivist/communist anarchists in French.
Let’s not pretend we don’t know the reason.
In some interview or article, I believe.
Sure you didn’t read that in a dream?
So unless someone achieves communism, they’re not a communist?
Why did you ask whether or not the bolsheviki were communists, exactly?
Hitler
Circular logic as an “argument”, then. Gotcha.
Oh, so you don’t know what my views are, but have already concluded they’re absurd.
You’ve given enough hints (you consider yourself far right than call the Nazis far left), so I took a guess. I was open to reach another conclusion…
I’m an anarcho communist (no)
… But clearly, you’re afraid of further ridicule.
Ydu write as if there wasn’t a power imbalance between the classes.
I didn’t say it. Although he did.
Where? Here, maybe, where he ridicules the people who think the Nazis were socialists?
Wie oft haben wir uns geschüttelt vor Lachen über diese einfältigen bürgerlichen Angsthasen, angesichts des geistvollen Rätselratens über unsere Herkunft, unsere Absichten und unser Ziel. Wir haben die rote Farbe unserer Plakate nach genauem und gründlichem Überlegen gewählt, um dadurch die linke Seite zu reizen, zur Empörung zu bringen und sie zu verleiten, in unsere Versammlungen zu kommen, wenn auch nur, um sie zu sprengen, damit wir auf diese Weise überhaupt mit den Leuten reden konnten.
Where?
Btw are bolsheviks communists? Bc they clearly stated they are. No need to even read between the lines.
They stated that as their goal. The Nazis stated a Reich enuring 1000 years as their goal. Did those succeed?
And what’s the relation between capitalism and slavery?
They’re compatible.
The point is that socialists can be socialists without applying Marx works in any way.
Name one socialist that came after Marx that doesn’t agree with him in some manner or the other.
What worldview? What is my worldview?
Please, enlighten me. I could do with a bit of absurd fantasy worldbuilding.
How does that follow in any way?
Tell me you did a quick Google without telling me
Lol, afraid to admit that you have no idea who Nestor Makhno was?
Dunno wtf this is, but I bet another bunch of bourgeoisie
I thought that they “exterminated” the bourgeoisie, get your story straight. Also: shouldn’t you be in favour of exterminating the boprgeoisie, if you “despise democracy”?
You said my worldview is internally inconsistent. Nazis being left wing contradicts some of my other beliefs?
I guess you’ve got me there: your worldview might be internally consistent. It just probably clashes with fundamental truths of reality. I’ve yet to meet someone who claims that the Nazis were “far left” where that’s not the case.
You’re wrong and I’m right.
Prove it. Make an argument.
Did those people try to deconstruct existing power structures while in office? That makes them counter revolutionary. The state is counter revolutionary.
You can’t abolish maters by using the master’s tools.
Ah, so you’re a communist with the real-communism-was-never-tried flavor. Ok then.
Your ignorance amuses me.
What about him? He was bourgeoisie himself, participating in bourgeoisie revolution.
Tell me you just did a quick google without telling me…
And the CNT/FAI?
Where’s the inconsistency?
In your worldview. You said yourself that you think nazis are left-wing.
Considering what was before, it was a gradual step towards socialism. Nazi Germany existed for like 30 years.
Ah, yes. And Hitler clearly stated that he was a socialist… somewhere. You have to read between the lines of “Mein Kampf”, where he clearly states that he’s right wing. And all the companies who profited immensly from all that slave labour where juuuust about to be socialised. /s
Uhuh. Is Charles Fourier socialist?
Got any proper points, or are you just gonna “umm actually” me to death?
What is that even supposed to mean?
You’re a weirdo who deserves to be ridiculed for having such a stupid worldview.
They were talking about the exploiter class. The thing about class war is that one class takes the freedom to chose away from the other class.
You’re claiming that people chose to be bullied after someone says that being a bully is a choice.
Are bolsheviks socialist?
No. They were state-capitalists.
He literally limited the profitability of companies to 6%.
You agree that companies made profits. That’s a capitalist policy.
He’s non-marxist socialist. Not all socialist are Marxists.
I didn’t say whether or not he was a Marxist. All socialists apply Marxist analysis at least partially. Even Bakunin agreed with Marx’s theory.
Btw, fascists are Marxists.
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I’m not an ancap.
You’re enough of an ancap for me to care how you define yourself. You’ve proven enough how little of political/historical understanding you have.
Oh, but somehow they ended up exterminating that social group instead of expropriating. Given the experience of the 20th century.
I’m not here to defend bourgeois revolutions. Explain how e.g. Nestor Makhno or the CNT/FAI “exterminated” the bourgeoisie.
I’m not a centrist. I’m right-wing. I’m so far right, that I consider nazis to be far left.
Yeah. I figured that you didn’t have an internally consistent worldview.
They didn’t say anything about thee poor chosing to be poor.
He persecuted socialists (basically the first people sent to concentration camps) and had capitalist policies? Any reason to suggest he was fond of Marx?
But Mr (assumed) “proletarians_must_suffer” probably thinks that “socialism is when the state does stuff”.
Go bother someone else in some ancap forum, where you belong.
Claims the clown spouting “Hitler was a socialist”. xD
You’re strawmanning again.
I don’t consider China to be very left. It’s a capitalist country. The same goes for other state-capitalist projects.
While there are authoritarian leftists, I think it’s wrong to act as if these where the only part of the so-called “far left”. How many genocides were committed by anarchists?
If those parts was bombed by Russian military: why not?