I’m not talking about protection, I’m talking about reclamation. Ie not all words must be protected, but some words have reason to be reclaimed. Very different things. The right shouldn’t have a monopoly on liberty in political discourse.
I drive through NH every time I visit my sister in Maine. Call it the southern kid in me, but I enjoy a few tiny minutes of no seatbelt 🫣 but I’ve been in a horrible car accident where I was the only one with a seatbelt so don’t take that the wrong way 😅
Queer used to be a slur (and still can be) and before that it had a different meaning, but it has since changed again to be reclaimed by those it was intended to hurt. Words change, of course, but that must mean they can change back too. I’m not saying we must take the word back, mind you, I’m only suggesting it. I personally think it’s a good idea but I’m not gonna make anyone who doesn’t want to do it. I also am very aware of the challenge to reclaim it, I only brought it up because it was relevant to the thread. Penn Gillette is most likely a left-ish libertarian and doesn’t even know it, but obviously no longer associates with the term for understandable reasons. I am wishing he didn’t have to abandon the term libertarian and instead wish American society was able to comprehend left libertarianism.
Trust me I’m very well aware of the libertarian party and its various caucuses etc. They’re part of the problem.
I still think the root word of liberty has meaning to Americans that can make it easy to grasp anarchist socialism, even if they don’t fully buy in to the anarchist part. As long as Americans don’t associate it with communism or socialism they can often buy socialist anarchist ideas. It’s stupid, but it is what it is
The problem is liberals don’t even grasp the concept of a left libertarian. It’s an oxymoron to a liberal. They immediately assume you’re a right winger unfortunately in America at least. Then you have to just say you’re a socialist and then they think you want to put them in the gulags. Then you say well I’m the anarchist kind and then they think you’re going to kill them for liking money or something.
My primary complaint is liberals believe the right when the right try to say what libertarian means, and I think liberals should instead be educated on the word but they are often can’t be convinced , and it’s often too much energy to even try.
(I’m including the modern liberal and conservative in that definition of liberal).
I still think the word libertarian should be reclaimed by the left. Fuck the ancaps who took it. Westerners are too scared of it, despite it originally meaning a socialist. Places where white peopl aren’t the majority have no issue with the word. My Filipino family understand that liberty is just another word for freedom, but think socialism is just state communism. Socialists will never win against capitalist propaganda without violence. Too many people hate anarchists and “socialists” but are not at all afraid of the principles of anarchist socialism. It needs better branding, and the word libertarians was literally designed for that. And the ignorant western liberals believed them and hate the word libertarian because of it instead of being educated.
Believe whatever you want, I don’t care. I’m for open borders and he is not. I would have voted for him like I voted for Kamala, but libs be libs and many anre not for open borders like I am. I want Ellis island back like my ancestors were afforded to come here, but Bernie and many libs are not for an Ellis island. It is what it is, and it is my main gripe with the guy.
He’s not for deporting the dreamers, but get their parents outta here says he lol. If you’re poor and want to come to America? “America’s closed!” says he. He chooses his words so carefully. He is for deporting innocent illegals humans. He doesn’t think they’re innocent and deserve deportation by armed forces. He’s wrong, flat out, I welcome the poor from around the world to come here. I love my immigrant family and I love my immigrant neighbors and I love the immigrants coming here for economic prosperity, and I want that to be as easy as Ellis island again.
How do you suggest they “leave” society against their will? That’s literally deportation—very abusable by fascists today. Unless you are suggesting they can voluntarily leave… which is a “solution” I guess. Who will be doing this? This would be a federal thing so you want to fund the DEA to make these arrests? Yeah blowing up the DEA budget won’t help fascists either.
It’s not a slippery slope if that’s literally how this country has been working for as long as you or I have been alive. These laws require funding and budgets and law enforcement agencies to enforce these laws. This is literally drug enforcement, it’s or course going to be the drug enforcement agency to do the presidents bidding. An executive branch agency mind you.
What law that allows persecution of these people won’t be abused by fascists to apply to people they don’t like? We all want laws where we throw people out of society we don’t like, but there’s a reason fascism needs democracy to exist. I’m obviously for some sort of solution, but preferably one that doesn’t have all of the tools for fascism to use against their political enemies.
Killing fascists is a very good alternative to voting them out
I don’t want to be too much of an infighter, but look at Bernie’s immigration stance over the years. He isn’t sobbing too much about the undocumented getting deported because he claims they take from documented Americans. It makes it hard to believe him knowing how he has looked directly into the eyes of innocent humans and still chooses to treat them as drains of documented american society.
These people want three things:
Their plan: in two or more years, replace many old liberal, Republican-lite dems with young progressives. This will allow them to push more progressive policies. The problem is they had 8 years, nearly a decade, to do that or else we get fascism and failed and now want to believe in their two year plan to start the change of fascism to a progressive democracy.
I hope fascism is willing to wait for democracy to do its thing as much as these two are betting on it with their strategy, but there are democrats out there taking on AIPAC money and stomping out progressives because they aren’t getting the donations going to the Democratic Party fundraisers because they don’t take corporate donations. There has to be more from the party “of the people” than this.
Those kids whos who also depend on that income don’t deserve it. Have some heart for your fellow neighbors please
Or mandatory car insurance I think