I said to keep the prisons open until we replace them. That necessarily means we aren’t imprisoning people for life, because the prisons will close.

Sure. If we happen to migrate to this fabled society of yours where prisons aren’t necessary before people currently in prison die. But until we reach your fantasy, (which could be a LONG time) you admit that “you think it’s okay to imprison people for life even with the possibility that they are innocent.”

We just hold them for the length of time it takes to replace the prisons with schools and hospitals.

All the schools and hospitals in the world aren’t going to stop people from harming each other. Get it?

Also I don’t know where you got the idea that I actually support life imprisonment? I only said it’s better than the death penalty.

Oh my god, we’re just going in circles now. Re-read my previous comment for why you’re incorrect.

I’m going to have to ignore you now because I’ve said everything I needed to say and you’re just proving me right again and again. You know your argument is weak, so you’re afraid to stand by it. You keep pivoting to something else to obscure the fact that you’re wrong.

You may need to work on your reading comprehension, too. I suggest taking a remedial English course at your local community college.

Thanks for showing me that people like you don’t actually have a leg to stand on when saying the death penalty should be abolished. You’re living in a fairy world while pretending it’s reality. It makes sense that you’d think “schools and hospitals” could replace prisons, lol. How many schools? How many hospitals? You know people still commit crimes when going to nice schools and having access to nice hospitals, right? Lol.

Well I literally said we can keep the prisons open

So… we go all the way back to my previous point where I said you think it’s okay to imprison people for life even with the possibility that they are innocent.

Also, we can definitely redefine what a “crime” even is; so many people are locked up that don’t need to be.

Stay on topic.

To be clear, since you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying

No, I understand exactly what you’re saying. You know it’s stupid to argue “the death penalty isn’t ok because sometimes people are innocent” while saying “but it’s okay to lock them up for life even though sometimes they’re innocent.” Instead of owning your incorrect stance, you try to pivot and derail to something else to avoid admitting you’re wrong.

Do you see how difficult it was for you to admit it’s necessary to lock people up? That’s because you knew you were wrong, but tried throwing as much shit at the wall to see if you could get away with it.

I’m sorry that I keep repeating myself

Lol, me too! I have to keep repeating myself because you don’t want to admit when you’re wrong. So you just keep saying the same thing in slightly different ways or throwing in distractions thinking it’s going to get you different results.

You didn’t really answer my question.

By instead, I meant instead of sending people for prison (possibly for life.)

“Reducing the prison population” still involves sending people to prison, possibly for life. What should we be doing instead of sending people to prison before we live in a society where people don’t commit crimes worthy of incarceration?

I’m sorry I have to be so specific with you, it feels like I’m talking to a genie lol.

What should we be doing instead of sending people to prison until we have the society you envision?

You’re the one arguing we shouldn’t imprison people for life.

Wrong. I’m arguing that by your “logic,” the reasons you give against the death penalty are also applicable to life in prison. Therefore, you shouldn’t be saying one is okay but not the other, which is what you were doing.

I was saying it’s better than the death penalty, not that it’s okay.

Good, I’m glad you can at least be direct about it now. What should we be doing instead?

Uhh, what? I guess I need to be very specific with you, lol.

You were saying that you don’t want to defend life in prison or locking people up. I countered by saying “yeah, it would be great if we lived in a world where that wasn’t necessary, but that’s not the world we live in.”

Since you’re the one so pre-occupied in living in a fantasy world where you think prison isn’t necessary, I said “You should focus on reality instead of your fantasies more often.”

This exact same glib argument can be used against your own complaints about life imprisonment

Ironic how you’re saying this after you’re the one who said “compensation for families makes dying in prison ok.” How come you completely ignored my point about giving compensation to families of people who get the death penalty?

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“It was an abusive relationship with the democrats, too. Not sure why you people like being abused so much, but it really puts into perspective why I do not take the average person seriously these days. They’re just too stupid/proud of their stupidity.”

Lol.

Do families get compensated after their relatives die in prison? That’s a new one to me.

I guess the families could be compensated if their relatives get the death penalty? Then that would make it “ok” by your “logic.”

I’ll be honest, I believe in prison abolition. I don’t really want to defend the concept of life in prison. We don’t need to lock people up.

Yeah, it’d be nice if people didn’t commit crimes. Unfortunately that’s not the world we live in.

You should focus on reality instead of your fantasies more often.

How do you give them compensation after they’ve died in prison?

It can’t be reversed after they’re dead.

You also can’t give them back the time that they lost.

No, we don’t trust them to “imprison people for life” too.

??? What the fuck? Where do life sentences come from then? The fairy-godmother?

This is why I don’t take you people seriously, lmao.

But imprisonment is a lesser evil and can be fixed to some extent in the case of fuck up.

So it’s acceptable to imprison innocent people for life but not kill them? Or, maybe, your “we can’t trust them” argument was always stupid and you’re just having trouble reconciling that fact.

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Everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary over Bernie Sanders should be blamed for why we have 2 trump presidencies.

Democrats have shown they’d rather have trump than a candidate who actually fights for the working class.

You did great work and should feel proud of it.

It’s a shame that they’re specifically targeting those who want to do good, just to enrich those who want to do bad.

The useful idiots have unfortunately won, on both sides.

But we can trust them to imprison people for life? 🤔

The “logic” among you people is really a sight to behold. I can tell you’re just saying what you think will make you look good in front of your peers.

I don’t have an issue with the death penalty.

The pushback against the death penalty and the idea that prisons are for “rehabilitation” instead of punishment is really just new-age nonsense by people who are afraid of the real world.

It’s why we pretty much only see them making these arguments on the internet; it’s the only place they can survive.

I don’t care about a manhunt for tesla owners, specifically.

All rich people can get fucked though. Millionaires and billionaires. They need to be working overtime to fix the problems they caused. Otherwise, they’re enemies and deserve to be treated as such.

Anyone who has the excess wealth to afford a tesla and chooses to buy one over helping those in need can get fucked.

Good, but there’s still more to go.

Karma is a bitch.

It’s really cool, actually.

People buy expensive cars while children starve just so they can look good in front of their peers. I support whoever damages their status symbols.