I mean, its a war. Nobody is playing “fair” and you’re delusional if you think they ever were.
But it’s crazy to fixate on Russian losses and ignore the devastation rained on Ukrainian territory. Or the enormous debts Zelensky has had to assume in order to continue importing new munitions and mercenaries to fight. We’ve already seen bombings inside Moscow and assassination attempts (more than a few successful even) against Russian military and state security leadership. But that’s not budging the front lines. Neither is it curbing the continuous barrage of artillery and Russian-based retaliatory drone attacks.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
True. Because with the rate of Russian advance, it will take them decades to even fully occupy the oblasts they want to occupy. By then, Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.
That is expected to speedup though as headcount difference keeps getting skewed even more. At some point there just simply won’t be enough people to hold the line.
Realistically, no one worth their salt could replace Putin and expect that person to hold Russia together. Putin made sure no one could upstage him.
The best case scenario for Russia post-Putin is to have a Maduro-type leader. Someone competent enough to hold on to power and enrich his cronies boyars, although could never have the charisma to gain enough popular support and cult following of his predecessor. Thus, the next leader is in a precarious hold on the power like Maduro.
Only Russian trolls believe… the entire Russian war machine is dictated by the whims of a single man? There’s no military leadership or political class in Russia that wants to continue fighting in Ukraine?
Tell that to the Russian oligarchs who weren’t told that their tsar want to go to war and are now suffering from sanctions. They are pissed thay their assets got frozen!
This is such a gross misrepresentation of my comment and my intent. I’m not really sure why you feel the need to grind this ax but there is no way what I said is actually the cause. My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. My comment was intended to highlight Russia and talk about how sad it is that this country has become a rogue state with a horrible leader and a population that is not willing to say “no,” to highlight their failures.
I can be sad for both countries btw. Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this. But just because I was talking about the impact on Russia does not mean I don’t care about Ukraine. And fuck you for implying otherwise. Next time actually ask me what my thoughts are before projecting your bullshit on me. I do not appreciate your comment at all.
And since apparently you will twist my words let me be unequivocally clear: Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other. So again, go fuck yourself.
Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this.
It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.
FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals. They’re trending all over social media.
Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other.
It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.
This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.
A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.
Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel? If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.
And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.
“Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.
Seriously, what do you even want here? What is the point of this? You want capitulation and appeasement?
I’m not making light of casualties, I’m making light of the baseless claim that there even could be casualties, because I reiterate:
If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.
You think if they found spotters deep in Russian territory near their nuclear bombers the operation would have succeeded?
So, you’re not gonna defend the claim that we should worry about retaliation? Going to pretend that Russia will do anything it wasn’t already trying to do, and just move the conversation elsewhere? This is so incredibly bad faith.
To quite treating this bloodbath as a fucking football game.
Congratulations, it’s not working. You just sound like a cheerleader yourself.
No, fuck off moron. Russia started this war, they’re committing a genocide, and they’re 100% responsible for ALL of it. Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict in the world by blaming the victims for defending themselves puts you and your shitty ideology in the same tier as nazis, which sounds about right for Marxism. You support and defend Russia’s imperialist genocide, you’re morally reprehensible.
The only difference is that people are actually honest about all of these conflicts. They acknowledge who is a fault and what has actually happened. You lack that honesty, hence why you’re using the whataboutism fallacy here to keep dismissing criticism and distracting from the arguments being made instead of addressing them directly. You know you can’t defend the evils that Russia is committing on their own merits, and so you resort to fallacies. If you were able to then would’ve just owned up to the fact that you’re piece of shit who supports the evils that Russia is committing, but you’re not arguing in good faith.
Dude I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific) scenarios, not drawing up fucking battle plans and speaking with Zelenskyy personally. Back off.
Imagine if somebody said “they should wipe out half their bomber fleet in one fell swoop,“ I bet you would’ve been a shithead about that too.Well look, they just did it to 40% of them in one day. None of us are experts, and that includes you. So shouting me down for talking about how dumb Russia has been about all this and throwing out totally theoretical scenarios for fun Isn’t helping anybody. I don’t even know what you want from all of this. What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal? We’re just a bunch of assholes on a website shooting the shit.
I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific)
I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal?
To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
I want you to take a second and look at the post that we are commenting on right now and remind you that we are on a community called “shitpost.”
Edit: I am fully aware of how horrific the situation is for Ukraine and Russia alike. I’m sorry you don’t believe me. But I am also going to cheer when they pull off successful operations and advance their cause. I want Ukraine to survive. I want Ukraine to thrive after this war. I will not apologize for cheering when they pull off impressive operations. That does not preclude my acknowledging the horrors of war. Now kindly leave me alone.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
What are you even talking about?
There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.
There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.
In Ukraine today, no topic is more barbed than that of compulsory military service. Few want to talk about conscription publicly; men within service age range, 25 to 60 years old, are particularly reticent. “It’s just too sensitive. I hope you understand me,” one man told me, referring to the many families in his circle of friends whose sons, brothers, and fathers are on the front or have perished there. Some fear that speaking out might prompt a letter from the Defense Ministry announcing their call-up. Or worse, they might be plucked randomly by recruitment officers on the streets and, should their documentation prove their eligibility for service, sent straight to boot camp.
Wow so all your other shit where you pretended to care and lectured me about the horror of wars was a mask because you are Putin‘s little sock puppet. Blocked. Fucking pathetic.
It’s all they know. You either agree or you’re a computer trying to trick them.
But that’s just westerners since the turn of the century. They’ve abolished public education, outlawed free speech, and turned their whole world into pop up ads.
They’re sick and drowning. And all they know is blaming foreigners for their home grown problems.
I mean, its a war. Nobody is playing “fair” and you’re delusional if you think they ever were.
But it’s crazy to fixate on Russian losses and ignore the devastation rained on Ukrainian territory. Or the enormous debts Zelensky has had to assume in order to continue importing new munitions and mercenaries to fight. We’ve already seen bombings inside Moscow and assassination attempts (more than a few successful even) against Russian military and state security leadership. But that’s not budging the front lines. Neither is it curbing the continuous barrage of artillery and Russian-based retaliatory drone attacks.
This is just the Iraq-Iran War on steroids. Two countries absolutely butchering their youth in a vainglorious attempt to claim hegemony over a minefield.
If you were to apply this same logic during various points during the world wars, you’d have been calling for the allies to surrender.
Imagine if people had listened at the start of WW1 and stopped the fighting before Germany, Russia, and France were in trench warfare melee.
How awful would that have been? What would a world without The Battle For The Somme even look like today? Presumably much worse.
The war stops when Russia, imperialist aggressor, stops.
Highly doubtful.
Don’t get your hopes up
True. Because with the rate of Russian advance, it will take them decades to even fully occupy the oblasts they want to occupy. By then, Putin will be dead and that is only when Russia fully ceases attacking.
That is expected to speedup though as headcount difference keeps getting skewed even more. At some point there just simply won’t be enough people to hold the line.
Why would anyone believe this?
Because he is not a Russian troll, unlike yourself.
Realistically, no one worth their salt could replace Putin and expect that person to hold Russia together. Putin made sure no one could upstage him.
The best case scenario for Russia post-Putin is to have a Maduro-type leader. Someone competent enough to hold on to power and enrich his cronies
boyars, although could never have the charisma to gain enough popular support and cult following of his predecessor. Thus, the next leader is in a precarious hold on the power like Maduro.I think you were going to reply to this Puta supporter.
Only Russian trolls believe… the entire Russian war machine is dictated by the whims of a single man? There’s no military leadership or political class in Russia that wants to continue fighting in Ukraine?
Jesus. Talk about brainwashed.
Tell that to the Russian oligarchs who weren’t told that their tsar want to go to war and are now suffering from sanctions. They are pissed thay their assets got frozen!
So you’re betting the war will end when European banks promise to give Russian oligarchs their Euros back?
Christ. Okay, well, this has been illuminating.
Idk what makes you think his successor will be any different
His successor will be more incompetent.
Don’t get your hopes up
It is inevitable.
This is such a gross misrepresentation of my comment and my intent. I’m not really sure why you feel the need to grind this ax but there is no way what I said is actually the cause. My heart goes out to the Ukrainian people. My comment was intended to highlight Russia and talk about how sad it is that this country has become a rogue state with a horrible leader and a population that is not willing to say “no,” to highlight their failures.
I can be sad for both countries btw. Ukraine is obviously the victim here. The Ukrainian people are amazing and have their own rich history and culture as well that deserves to be preserved and respected and cultivated. They do not deserve any of this. But just because I was talking about the impact on Russia does not mean I don’t care about Ukraine. And fuck you for implying otherwise. Next time actually ask me what my thoughts are before projecting your bullshit on me. I do not appreciate your comment at all.
And since apparently you will twist my words let me be unequivocally clear: Talking about one does not mean I don’t care about the other. So again, go fuck yourself.
It’s weird to suggest anyone would. But we’ve been hearing about how “Now is the time for a Ukrainian counterattack!” since 2022. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian conscripts got shoveled into Russian defense lines and butchered by mines and artillery, while Westerners cheered like they were watching some kind of pro-sporting event.
FFS, you can find videos all over the internet of Ukrainians and Russians butchering one another and bragging about it. You can find bespoke influencer news networks bragging about how their team is “Owning” the opposition with grisly reprisals. They’re trending all over social media.
It’s just a show for the West. You don’t actually give a shit, because you don’t see (or care) about the cost anyone is paying.
This entire post is literally about a successful counterattack on Russian soil. One with zero Ukrainian casualties.
What, exactly, do you want from this conversation? People to recognize that Ukrainians are suffering? They do recognize that - that’s why they don’t want Ukraine to lose.
A defeated Ukraine would suffer far worse than they are now, as retribution for defending themselves and embarassing Russia in the process. Ukrainians would inevitably be conscripted to fight in Russia’s next attempt at conquest anyway.
Zero reported casualties. And then nobody wants to talk about retaliation as a consequence.
“Things will be worse once the bombs stop falling” is pure war propaganda.
Lol what unreported casualties do you imagine there could even be? The drone operators developing carpal tunnel? If they had identified Ukrainians smuggling weapons platforms into the country, the whole operation would have failed.
Right, because Russia hasn’t been trying until now? They haven’t really tried to crush Ukraine, they’ve just been playing around? But now that Ukraine has bloodied their nose, boy are they sure gonna find out what Russia’s capable of. Lol.
No, “things will be worse when a nation is conquered by a hostile dictatorship” is not propaganda. Ukraine knows that for a fact, because they’ve been through this before.
Seriously, what do you even want here? What is the point of this? You want capitulation and appeasement?
What is it with the 101st Chairborn and their need to make light of human casualties?
Intelligence on the ground, particularly spotters near the target, would be the most obvious potential liabilities.
They’ve been bloodying one another for years on end. This isn’t the first successfully Ukrainian strike since the war started.
To quite treating this bloodbath as a fucking football game.
I’m not making light of casualties, I’m making light of the baseless claim that there even could be casualties, because I reiterate:
You think if they found spotters deep in Russian territory near their nuclear bombers the operation would have succeeded?
So, you’re not gonna defend the claim that we should worry about retaliation? Going to pretend that Russia will do anything it wasn’t already trying to do, and just move the conversation elsewhere? This is so incredibly bad faith.
Congratulations, it’s not working. You just sound like a cheerleader yourself.
Don’t bother engaging him. He accidentally let his mask slip in another thread. He’s a Putin apologist trying to “both sides“ the conflict.
The cavalier attitude towards death is symptomatic of a deep online mental illness.
You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill
Marxists want the war to end and the working people to stop killing one another to the benefit of their bosses.
Only the imperialists need you to take sides in order to continue the killing.
No, fuck off moron. Russia started this war, they’re committing a genocide, and they’re 100% responsible for ALL of it. Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict in the world by blaming the victims for defending themselves puts you and your shitty ideology in the same tier as nazis, which sounds about right for Marxism. You support and defend Russia’s imperialist genocide, you’re morally reprehensible.
Same line Americans used in Afghanistan and Iraq. Same line the Israelis are using in Gaza.
The genocidal impulse runs through the West like a plague. All you people know how to do is shoot and cry.
The only difference is that people are actually honest about all of these conflicts. They acknowledge who is a fault and what has actually happened. You lack that honesty, hence why you’re using the whataboutism fallacy here to keep dismissing criticism and distracting from the arguments being made instead of addressing them directly. You know you can’t defend the evils that Russia is committing on their own merits, and so you resort to fallacies. If you were able to then would’ve just owned up to the fact that you’re piece of shit who supports the evils that Russia is committing, but you’re not arguing in good faith.
Dude I am just teasing out exciting (well as exciting as war can be, which is horrific) scenarios, not drawing up fucking battle plans and speaking with Zelenskyy personally. Back off.
Imagine if somebody said “they should wipe out half their bomber fleet in one fell swoop,“ I bet you would’ve been a shithead about that too.Well look, they just did it to 40% of them in one day. None of us are experts, and that includes you. So shouting me down for talking about how dumb Russia has been about all this and throwing out totally theoretical scenarios for fun Isn’t helping anybody. I don’t even know what you want from all of this. What do you want? More solemnity? Do you want us to not cheer for Ukraine? I mean what the hell is your goal? We’re just a bunch of assholes on a website shooting the shit.
I wish people were more willing to confront the horror and less eager to speculate on the excitement.
Instead, we just see bloodlust. People online clutching their keyboards in rapt anticipation of the next bombing or shelling or assassination, like this isn’t costing uncounted civilian lives to put points on the board.
To get people to see this as an ongoing disaster, tragedy, and fundamental political failure, rather than some kind of CoD Twitch Stream epic playthrough.
I want you to take a second and look at the post that we are commenting on right now and remind you that we are on a community called “shitpost.”
Edit: I am fully aware of how horrific the situation is for Ukraine and Russia alike. I’m sorry you don’t believe me. But I am also going to cheer when they pull off successful operations and advance their cause. I want Ukraine to survive. I want Ukraine to thrive after this war. I will not apologize for cheering when they pull off impressive operations. That does not preclude my acknowledging the horrors of war. Now kindly leave me alone.
That doesn’t make the post good. It’s ghoulish.
^this dude is a Putin apologist masking as someone who gives a shit.
I’m sorry you feel that way
No you aren’t
What are you even talking about?
There are no “two countries butchering”. There is no symmetry.
There is a bandit state which invaded their neighbour (like many other neighbours they invaded before) and are murdering civilians, commiting war crimes and kidnapping children.
How many more hundreds of thousands of people have to die before the language sticks?
It’s two populations of conscripts being shoved together in a rain of artillery and a morass of land mines.
Ohhhhh you’re one of those people who thinks Zelenskyy is “forcing” Ukraine to defend itself. This makes way more sense now.
Conscription Is Breaking Ukraine
Wow so all your other shit where you pretended to care and lectured me about the horror of wars was a mask because you are Putin‘s little sock puppet. Blocked. Fucking pathetic.
You’re so jaded that you can’t even imagine someone who doesn’t love killing.
Russian troll alert.
Lol right everyone who disagrees with you is a bot or troll, terminal patriot brainrot
It’s all they know. You either agree or you’re a computer trying to trick them.
But that’s just westerners since the turn of the century. They’ve abolished public education, outlawed free speech, and turned their whole world into pop up ads.
They’re sick and drowning. And all they know is blaming foreigners for their home grown problems.
wow you’re such an empath
Patriot brainrot