Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they were wronged and they know the problem is Trump, not the United States in general - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases. It’s been done before.
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
assuming voting tallies were accurate.
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Well, you asked me what could be done to help. I never said you have to, I’m just tired of scrolling past article after article talking about protests and attempts to halt this administration, only to see comments that are as dense as the ones made by the people that voted for this asshole. None of this shit is going to get any better with that approach.
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
And these millions that couldn’t even bother to vote expect other countries to come save them?
Perhaps it’s more that the extremist rhetoric of the opposition that denigrated them and elevated war criminals wasn’t the best way to motivate the masses of impoverished and disillusioned people to vote for them.
What specifically do you think other countries should be doing?
Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they were wronged and they know the problem is Trump, not the United States in general - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases. It’s been done before.
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
You’re right but as a red stater this needs to be done to get my state senators heads out of their asses.
Countries need to target states specifically for economic pressure under a dictator
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Well, you asked me what could be done to help. I never said you have to, I’m just tired of scrolling past article after article talking about protests and attempts to halt this administration, only to see comments that are as dense as the ones made by the people that voted for this asshole. None of this shit is going to get any better with that approach.
There is no article or comments in this thread about protests or attempts to halt this adminstration, nor anyone trying to discourage such actions.
False. He didn’t even win 50% of the people who did vote for president. He only won a plurality.
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
And these millions that couldn’t even bother to vote expect other countries to come save them?
Perhaps it’s more that the extremist rhetoric of the opposition that denigrated them and elevated war criminals wasn’t the best way to motivate the masses of impoverished and disillusioned people to vote for them.