I would encourage you to watch some of the “atheist call-in” shows on youtube so you understand better just how serious the brainwashing in religion is, and how it has a base motivation to attack and drown out systems of thinking like science and reason.
You’re not in here supplying people with a way to harmonize conflicting belief systems, because science isn’t a fucking belief system. Anyone who has already been through this journey already knows this, this is why you’re getting hammered in the comments here.
You’re not in here supplying people with a way to harmonize conflicting belief systems, because science isn’t a fucking belief system.
Correct. I am also not trying to do so. I am literally saying the two have nothing to do with one another and that’s why using one to argue against the other it pointless.
The people disagreeing with me seem to really want to use science to argue with religion, which ignores the fact that that’s not how science works, it is not a useful persuit for science, and religion doesn’t care.
The people disagreeing with me seem to really want to use science to argue with religion
Science does not seek to argue against religion, it seeks nothing, it’s just a word to describe a system for finding truth if that’s what you’re after.
So the reason you’re seeing people using science to attack religion is because YOU STARTED IT BY EQUATING THEM. This is itself an attack on science.
You have the right premise that they shouldn’t be used to seek the same answers, but you are approaching from a dense mindset that science is a “group” actively out trying to fight religion and that we people of science need to also do our part to understand religion. This fallacy is why you’re getting attacked here and why people are saying things like “I’m 16 and this is deep” it’s because this is a tired trope, some teenager who was raised theist suddenly realizes that scientific ideas have merit but desperately wants to make them both work so he doesn’t offend his parents so he tries to make a “separate but equal” argument. It’s tired.
You don’t need religion, but religion says you need it and it actively tries to attack other systems for understanding the world. It’s a net negative in our modern world and entirely optional, and science broadly wouldn’t care one way or another if it disappeared tomorrow or if more people started believing in God, because again, it’s not a “side” and I cannot fathom why you’re being so self-contradictory in your efforts here.
Science does not seek to argue against religion, it seeks nothing, it’s just a word to describe a system for finding truth if that’s what you’re after.
That is what I said, yes. Glad we’re on the same page.
So the reason you’re seeing people using science to attack religion
The thing we both agreed science is not meant for. Go on.
is because YOU STARTED IT BY EQUATING THEM.
The meme was equating them. I pointed out the pointlessness of that.
you are approaching from a dense mindset that science is a “group” actively out trying to fight religion
Strange, I am seeing so many replies treating Religion as a “group” actively out to fight science. Can we agree that both of these are wrong?
it’s because this is a tired trope
Science and religion have nothing in common is a tried trope? Because a lot of the response I’m getting seem the think they have something in common and anything relevant to say about one another.
You don’t need religion
Never said you did.
religion says you need it and it actively tries to attack other systems for understanding the world
And here we go treating Religion as a “group” again. I thought that was bad? Or is it only bad if you think someone is doing that to Science?
science broadly wouldn’t care one way or another if it disappeared tomorrow or if more people started believing in God
I agree. That’s what I’ve been saying. What are you arguing with specifically?
I cannot fathom why you’re being so self-contradictory in your efforts here.
What contradictions? You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I have been arguing for religion at some point. I have done no such thing. I have simply said “arguing science vs religion makes no sense and is a waste of time” and for some reason you assumed that meant I must be arguing for religion when I have done no such thing.(Other than pointing out religion is not a monolithic group I suppose. Pointing out the flaws in a claim is hardly the same arguing for the opposing viewpoints)
And here we go treating Religion as a “group” again. I thought that was bad? Or is it only bad if you think someone is doing that to Science?
Jesus fucking christ, religion IS a group, it is an organized group seeking political power and social control. Science is a tool for finding truth.
I don’t get how you can pretend to have this neutral position and still make weird defenses like this. It’s dishonest. You are lying about what you’re trying to communicate here and I cannot stand dishonesty so we’re done.
I am done trying to pick apart who or what you’re actually condemning, I highly encourage you to re-read how you opened this fucking thread and what everyone’s pushback has been about and understand your failures to communicate, make this a learning experience.
The Taliban and Buddhists have very different beliefs. If you’re trying to argue that they are part of the same “group” seeking political power and social control then you are either an idiot or completely disingenuous. I am not the one being dishonest here if you’re saying they’re the same group.
I would encourage you to watch some of the “atheist call-in” shows on youtube so you understand better just how serious the brainwashing in religion is, and how it has a base motivation to attack and drown out systems of thinking like science and reason.
You’re not in here supplying people with a way to harmonize conflicting belief systems, because science isn’t a fucking belief system. Anyone who has already been through this journey already knows this, this is why you’re getting hammered in the comments here.
Watching Matt Dillahunty can be infuriating sometimes with how dense the callers can be. Dogma and indoctrination are a hell of a drug.
Correct. I am also not trying to do so. I am literally saying the two have nothing to do with one another and that’s why using one to argue against the other it pointless.
The people disagreeing with me seem to really want to use science to argue with religion, which ignores the fact that that’s not how science works, it is not a useful persuit for science, and religion doesn’t care.
Science does not seek to argue against religion, it seeks nothing, it’s just a word to describe a system for finding truth if that’s what you’re after.
So the reason you’re seeing people using science to attack religion is because YOU STARTED IT BY EQUATING THEM. This is itself an attack on science.
You have the right premise that they shouldn’t be used to seek the same answers, but you are approaching from a dense mindset that science is a “group” actively out trying to fight religion and that we people of science need to also do our part to understand religion. This fallacy is why you’re getting attacked here and why people are saying things like “I’m 16 and this is deep” it’s because this is a tired trope, some teenager who was raised theist suddenly realizes that scientific ideas have merit but desperately wants to make them both work so he doesn’t offend his parents so he tries to make a “separate but equal” argument. It’s tired.
You don’t need religion, but religion says you need it and it actively tries to attack other systems for understanding the world. It’s a net negative in our modern world and entirely optional, and science broadly wouldn’t care one way or another if it disappeared tomorrow or if more people started believing in God, because again, it’s not a “side” and I cannot fathom why you’re being so self-contradictory in your efforts here.
That is what I said, yes. Glad we’re on the same page.
The thing we both agreed science is not meant for. Go on.
The meme was equating them. I pointed out the pointlessness of that.
Strange, I am seeing so many replies treating Religion as a “group” actively out to fight science. Can we agree that both of these are wrong?
Science and religion have nothing in common is a tried trope? Because a lot of the response I’m getting seem the think they have something in common and anything relevant to say about one another.
Never said you did.
And here we go treating Religion as a “group” again. I thought that was bad? Or is it only bad if you think someone is doing that to Science?
I agree. That’s what I’ve been saying. What are you arguing with specifically?
What contradictions? You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I have been arguing for religion at some point. I have done no such thing. I have simply said “arguing science vs religion makes no sense and is a waste of time” and for some reason you assumed that meant I must be arguing for religion when I have done no such thing.(Other than pointing out religion is not a monolithic group I suppose. Pointing out the flaws in a claim is hardly the same arguing for the opposing viewpoints)
Jesus fucking christ, religion IS a group, it is an organized group seeking political power and social control. Science is a tool for finding truth.
I don’t get how you can pretend to have this neutral position and still make weird defenses like this. It’s dishonest. You are lying about what you’re trying to communicate here and I cannot stand dishonesty so we’re done.
I am done trying to pick apart who or what you’re actually condemning, I highly encourage you to re-read how you opened this fucking thread and what everyone’s pushback has been about and understand your failures to communicate, make this a learning experience.
The Taliban and Buddhists have very different beliefs. If you’re trying to argue that they are part of the same “group” seeking political power and social control then you are either an idiot or completely disingenuous. I am not the one being dishonest here if you’re saying they’re the same group.