The heart of what that comment says is that America approves of this coup, which is literally the opposite of what you’re pushing. There’s no need to lie about very clear polls showing negative public opinion.
I don’t think anyone here is under the illusion that negative polls alone will stop the dismantling of America but it shows that the sentiment is much broader than just our echo chamber.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen more vocal opposition than ever in traditionally neutral/conservative spaces (sports communities, the workplace, bars, etc…). The sentiment is there, people are worried, it just needs to be directed.
I want you to be fair and decent and just engage like you’re not trying to duel with an opponent, I’m just wondering, if it seems you’re just being antagonist I will block. I’m not here for emotional BS.
But I’m not lying about polls, I’m not addressing polls specifically, I don’t care about polls, nobody should. My concern is that we’re going to get stuck in a mindset FROM things like polls that we’re somehow okay to just sit on our hands and watch shit play out.
My phrasing was unclear, I meant the original “all time high” statement being a lie.
I think there’s two sides to that coin. One is complacency that everything will fix itself, but the other is the doomerism extreme. Things like:
this is what Americans want
X% of Americans support [atrocity]
there’s no political opposition
anything short of an armed insurrection is pointless [including records set by rallies, scale of protest movement, political engagement, etc…]
They might be true taken in one frame of reference, but being bombarded by them isn’t effective as a call to action. Seeing only the negative gives the impression that no change is possible and resistance is suppressed as much as complacency.
I understand your points but simply disagree that telling people that whatever we’re doing or not doing right now is working on any level. I firmly believe because of evidence around me that people broadly are more prone to inaction if they think this is just some passing political entertainment that will “sort itself out.” Our neo-liberal masses are really looking for validation for downplaying current events and there is no effective political opposition taking place, at least not on the scale needed to actually make changes or divert our course. It’s worse than you and many others know.
Most people are out-of-touch with politics and get ALL their news from social media, which is now tuned specifically to reinforce your existing beliefs and desires, so if you’re just another working American 300k in debt and working 60 hours a week to pay your bills and not paying attention to every political story, it’s really easy to tune out your obligations to take ANY kind of action to preserve your way of life. We need to let people know broadly that whatever narratives they’re reading, it’s not even remotely the whole story.
The heart of what that comment says is that America approves of this coup, which is literally the opposite of what you’re pushing. There’s no need to lie about very clear polls showing negative public opinion.
I don’t think anyone here is under the illusion that negative polls alone will stop the dismantling of America but it shows that the sentiment is much broader than just our echo chamber.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen more vocal opposition than ever in traditionally neutral/conservative spaces (sports communities, the workplace, bars, etc…). The sentiment is there, people are worried, it just needs to be directed.
What is it you think I’m pushing?
Do you want me to requote your whole comment? Or are you just opposed to the “pushing” phrasing?
I want you to be fair and decent and just engage like you’re not trying to duel with an opponent, I’m just wondering, if it seems you’re just being antagonist I will block. I’m not here for emotional BS.
I’m agreeing with your concern and pointing out that the original comment does not support either of us
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But I’m not lying about polls, I’m not addressing polls specifically, I don’t care about polls, nobody should. My concern is that we’re going to get stuck in a mindset FROM things like polls that we’re somehow okay to just sit on our hands and watch shit play out.
My phrasing was unclear, I meant the original “all time high” statement being a lie.
I think there’s two sides to that coin. One is complacency that everything will fix itself, but the other is the doomerism extreme. Things like:
They might be true taken in one frame of reference, but being bombarded by them isn’t effective as a call to action. Seeing only the negative gives the impression that no change is possible and resistance is suppressed as much as complacency.
I understand your points but simply disagree that telling people that whatever we’re doing or not doing right now is working on any level. I firmly believe because of evidence around me that people broadly are more prone to inaction if they think this is just some passing political entertainment that will “sort itself out.” Our neo-liberal masses are really looking for validation for downplaying current events and there is no effective political opposition taking place, at least not on the scale needed to actually make changes or divert our course. It’s worse than you and many others know.
Most people are out-of-touch with politics and get ALL their news from social media, which is now tuned specifically to reinforce your existing beliefs and desires, so if you’re just another working American 300k in debt and working 60 hours a week to pay your bills and not paying attention to every political story, it’s really easy to tune out your obligations to take ANY kind of action to preserve your way of life. We need to let people know broadly that whatever narratives they’re reading, it’s not even remotely the whole story.