Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):

Bernie Sanders has been repeatedly uttering the phrase “Israel has a right to defend itself” on his “Fighting Oligarchy” tour with Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, which in the year 2025 can only be interpreted as blatant genocide apologia.

Israel does not have “a right to defend itself” against an occupied population in a giant concentration camp. Under international law it has a right to end the occupation, and that’s it. “Israel has a right to defend itself” is just a slogan people say when they want to justify supplying an ongoing genocide.

Sanders has been mixing his support for Israel in with periodic criticisms of Netanyahu and the Israeli government’s actions in Gaza, always taking care to make his criticisms about the behavior of Israel’s current leadership and not the nature of the racist apartheid state itself.

Sanders is doing this for two reasons. Firstly, he is working to galvanize a big tent inclusive coalition of Democrats in opposition to Trump, and he wants that big tent to include people who think genocide is bad and people who think genocide is fine. He doesn’t want to offend the pro-genocide liberals.

Secondly, Sanders is doing this because he himself is a Zionist. Like other liberal Zionists, Bernie Sanders upholds a vision of an Israel that has never, ever existed: one which remains an ethnostate dominated by Jews, but which conducts itself in a kind and just manner, without constantly murdering and abusing Palestinians.

This iteration of the state of Israel is a fiction. An imaginary fantasyland, like Narnia. Everything about Israel is stacked against the possibility of such a status quo ever emerging, and Israel has always done everything it can to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state. By pretending it is possible to have the Zionist entity and also have peace and justice, liberal Zionists help manufacture public consent for continuing to feed weapons to the genocidal apartheid state of Israel.

  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 days ago

    Don’t see why I should answer when you didn’t answer my last one.

    But sure, plenty of Israelis protesting their government. That kind of debunks your suggestion.

          • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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            2 days ago

            So your argument against Jewish people being anti-Zionist is that US and Israeli leaders are condemning Jewish anti-zionists and that they should be denounced.

            Seems contradictory no? Either there are Jewish people that are anti-Zionist or these people are denouncing something that doesn’t exist.

            I have been more than accommodating hoping you might start to make some sense and not just post on vibes. So in that vain, I am regrettably going to have to block you. I have no ill feelings towards you and I wish you every success in life, I just don’t want to waste any more of my time conversing with someone who is either stupid or being purposefully ignorant.

            Free 🇵🇸

            • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldOP
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              2 days ago

              These Jewish people oppose the existence of the Apartheid state of Israel. They are literally burning Israeli flags.

              Do you support the existence of of Israel?

          • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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            2 days ago

            Here we go again with the name calling because you appear to be illiterate.

            The Charedi Community of Jerusalem(Hebrew: העדה החרדית, haEdah haCharedit, Ashkenazi pronunciation: ho-Aideh HaCharaidis or ho-Eido ha-Chareidis; “Community of God-Fearers”) is a large Haredi Jewish communal organization based in Jerusalem. It has several thousand affiliated households and is chaired by the Grand Patriarch (Ga’avad), who also holds the title of chief rabbi (Mara D’Ara D’Yisroel מרא דארעא דישראל). The Community is led by a Beis Din, and provides facilities such as Kashrutsupervision, Mikva’oth, Eruvin, and welfare services.

            From the very link I provided, odd it’s in Jerusalem and founded by a Rabbi.

            Anyway I’ve given you enough good will I will cease communications now as you’re no debating in good faith.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              2 days ago

              You linked a list of Jewish organisations, not Israeli. The fact that some of them happen to be Israeli doesn’t change that. You can’t link a list of Jewish organizations in general as evidence of a point about Israel specifically.

              • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
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                2 days ago

                Are you dense?

                It’s a list of Jewish Anti-genocide organisations, which is literally the wording I used when I posted the link, perhaps you’re projecting as you’re being disingenuous.

                Then that list contains groups of Jewish people against genocide in various countries around the world, some of which so happen to be in Israel.

                So, it would appear you’re dense. If you’re ever in the UK I would love to sit down and we could discuss this in person because I find your behaviour and reasoning quite staggering.