• Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    9 days ago

    I agree, if Russia was serious about denazification they would have come in to stop the pogroms against roma people and eastern Ukrainians much sooner. Trust me I have no love for the man, I just understand that the encroachment of NATO encirclement crossed SEVERAL red lines that the US had also promised not to cross already. Contrary to liberal beliefs the entire universe did not pop into existence last thursday.

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      Oh, other question: Is Russia’s current set of actions more likely to produce the result:

      • Everyone on their border relaxes about having to join NATO, definitely not going to join NATO now
      • Everyone on or near their border is interested in any defensive alliance they can get their hands on, trains actively to resist a Russian invasion, ideally tries to aim for nuclear weapons in the future

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      Since you’re right that Russia was totally just pushing back NATO encirclement, I feel like they must have achieved goal #1. Also their military has been showing it’s a hell of a force to be reckoned with. Obviously.

      • Nakoichi [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        9 days ago

        NATO has never been a “defensive alliance” its entire formation and purpose was to destroy communist movements and stifle their progress, also NATO was literally founded with a bunch of Nazis in high positions of power.

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          Yeah. But Russia isn’t communist though. NATO is just for stifling dissent from the US hegemony there’s no ideology beyond that.

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            I think that’s more an issue of the organization having achieved its original goal of destroying the Soviet Union but institutions like to continue to exist so they had to find another big bad to focus on.

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          Sounds good. Which result is this more likely to produce? I feel like maybe you meant to respond to someone else’s message, since you missed the question I asked in mine.

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      9 days ago

      Hey, quick question: What happened when the US congress tripped over its own dick as it is wont to do and turned off the bullet spigot for 8-10 months? Did Ukraine stop fighting and say “Oh you’re right you can have all our land in the east and please accept our apologies if you want to take some more go right ahead?” I feel like they must have done that, since the US is the one insisting that they have to shoot back even though they really don’t want to (and why would anyone?). But I can’t remember it happening.

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        even though they really don’t want

        Correct, majority of civilians don’t want to keep fighting a pointless and unwinnable conflict. It is mostly forced conscription by their Nazi government that the US props up to continue feeding them into the meat grinder.

        Also the people in the east have a right to self determination and if they would rather be under Putin’s thumb than the thumb of the Azov aligned Ukrainian government that is their prerogative and it is showing your western chauvinism that you don’t clearly give a fuck about them.