Capitalism exists in the form it does because government doesn’t exist. It’s a big lie. We are in the age of modern feudalism, ruled by corporations, oligarchs, and others that concentrate wealth, power, and influence.
I wouldn’t trust the government to reliably redistribute the money or to reliably tax the very rich.
We have a system that rewards greed, parasitism, and exploitation with wild success. Until that is solved, redistributing wealth will be unsuccessful — a temporary fix, at best.
The entire raison d’etre of Neoliberalism was to reduce the Power of the State (and hence the power of voters, who elect who controls it) below the Power of Money - leaving just about everything to “the Market” with “non-interventionism” and “deregulation” is really just another way to say that the State should not exercise any power over Money and thus leave Money to be the highest Power.
In other words, Democracy has been destroyed, not by wars or revolutions but by being hallowed out into a meaningless performance (the vote) for control of a lesser power, all thanks to Corruption, Propaganda and Subversion by insiders.
It feels like Feudalism because it is Feudalism, just with better image management.
The culture is already there. We have a great base called the constitution and its bill of rights — we largely already support concepts like democracy and human rights.
Humans and our units tend to be weak and vulnerable, we are easily manipulated, and we are easily corruptible. Capital has an greater influence on individuals (and especially our leaders and institutions) than forward momentum and the act of working towards solutions — making life better on this planet for everyone. Capital should not be a factor operating at a level above our ability to govern and direct our societies.
Humanity has to start to learn how to thrive and simultaneously learn to live in balance with the planet. Consumerism is certainly out of control, but it’s reductive and unfair to single out any single person, group, or entity. Humanity is largely kept in survival mode (and also in fear, hate, and division), scarcity is artificial with our current level of technology and organization, and the truth of our consumerism (and its roots) is veiled to us.
Nobody besides the oppressed truly knows the extent of modern slavery, of modern child slavery, and of third-world exploitation.
In my eyes, the solution is direct democracy and socialism. Building up our communities and making our society at large (and especially our cities) self-sustainable.
I personally think that an international human bill of rights would be a wonderful goal to have to kick off a golden age for humanity.
Right now, most of us believe that those who have more deserve more and those who have less deserve less. We don’t see an issue with, say, someone getting most of their meals through Doordash while complaining they ‘need’ more money.
Until that changes, we can’t expect society to change. We don’t want it to change unless it directly benefits us. If we have to sacrifice anything so those who have less than us can have more, we immediately become conservatives in our rhetoric.
Yes, I do think it’s important to address the echo-chambers and the centers of propaganda, no matter which side of the coin you’re looking at.
To the side that you’re referencing: Fox News (et. al), conservative think-tanks, and the many conservative influencers spread these perspectives and viewpoints. Responsible individuals and organizations convince everyone that it is a matter of survival that they don’t contribute to their societies.
These groups and influencers convince people that others shouldn’t have it easy because it invalidates their struggle. They also convince them that the government is out of control, that it is interested in taking their wealth and their rights, and that it largely doesn’t serve their needs — that they are getting a raw deal.
So these individuals want a small government. They don’t really care what happens to society at large because they are just focused on themselves, potentially their families, or at best a portion of their local communities or churches. They are in the weeds of survival mode and tribalism — they are warding off invaders and perceived threats and stopping others’ ability to take what they earned, including their status and power in society.
The answer is finding the real cost of capitalism, of ineffective governance, and of not making any forward movement as a global society. What are the real costs of this apathy and inaction? It can’t be something that you simply argue with science — with the costs of runaway industrialization, because they have been propagandized to think our emissions/etc. have no affect on the world at large. They are thinking small, and again, in a state of survival.
Conservatives, under the rule of this current administration, are going to be faced with some harsh realities and truth as this stagnation (and at worse, this regression) continues. They are going to quickly find out the source and human cost of our goods, be it domestic produce or various other items sourced from exploited countries.
It’s relevant to point out that an estimated 40% of US agricultural workers (arguably more) are undocumented immigrants. This administration is deporting workers that we depend on to work our fields, harvest our food, and likely produce the products that go on our shelves. They are doing so at a breakneck pace. When these conservatives are forced to work the fields to survive or forced to go into the factories, they will quickly understand how much blood, sweat, and tears go into their consumerism.
As for Doordash, it is a symptom of our apathy, the disconnection with our communities, and the result of local business being crushed. Just like Doordash being not so great, you can’t go to the grocery store and not support modern slavery. You need to consume food to live. The food on our shelves is devoid of nutrition, it is loaded to the brim with chemicals and contaminants (like PFAs, from the use of biosolids to fertilize our crops), and it is vastly under-regulated and making us ill. Our soil practices are also unsustainable and they will only remain viable for approximately 60 more harvests.
If RFK and some of his proposals (particularly regarding food) resonate with these voters, there is hope yet, especially if these individuals get a wake-up call in the form of a food crisis, facing the consequences of alienating our trade partners, and our store shelves going empty.
They already resonate with the government being broken, and we don’t need to give up anything as a society to thrive and live sustainably. We can accomplish all modern convenience and privilege with our technology and ingenuity without raping the environment.
These individuals are propagandized against green energy and regulation (industrial or otherwise). If we can convince them that everybody can thrive without breaking a sweat, and show them the costs of deregulation of our environments (e.g. their communities and their water tables) and the costs of deregulation on our health (their health and the health of their children), they will probably come around quick.
If that technology is finished, we won’t even need rare elements to store energy. It is a story that many slept on. Solar panels are very cheap comparatively to make.
Do a significant group of people will for this policy, and if so, are they being propagandized into willing for it?
Portraying our modern slaves (e.g. 40% of US agricultural workers are undocumented immigrants) as violent and criminal is a big stretch. We largely rely on them to pick our cotton (so to speak), we subject them to horrible working and living conditions, we don’t give them any rights, we keep them in poverty and lack, and deportation has always been on the table for them.
A large fraction of the country doesn’t vote. I haven’t looked at the polling recently, but most people don’t really seem to approve of Trump overall.
Trump and his administration represent capital. Capital wants to maintain control through fascism and authoritarianism.
You don’t simply ignore your oath to uphold the constitution, openly ignore due process, and also be in contempt of court. This is all being allowed to play out by all of our “representatives”, who also represent capital.
The constitution and its bill of rights is inconvenient to capital, just like true democracy. That’s why corporations (et. al) write our laws and tell our representatives how to vote through legalized bribery (lobbying).
For example, it’s bipartisan to want to limit or control speech and expression. It’s also bipartisan to engage in mass surveillance through private corporations, advertisement firms, data brokers, and through the NSA and PRISM. So, the first and fourth amendments have been under attack for a while. It’s nothing new.
This is their final push. If you remember, Clinton, the DNC, and the mainstream media (which represent capital) pushed for Trump in 2016:
The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
Read the edit that I just put in at the end — Trump’s rise to power is bipartisan.
Democrats currently writing strongly worded letters to the White House, while Trump openly violates the law and shits on the constitution and due process, is not sufficient action and shows their complicity. Again, these people represent capital. Human rights and even a hint of democracy is inconvenient to capital.
You’re allowed to disagree and continue getting gaslit. It’s fine, you do you. I know things are complicated.
I still dont understand what youre getting at? My point was funding the current government is in no way better than having Bill Gates own the money who at least donates it. What part of your comments contradicted that?
My point is that the government doesn’t exist, it’s a facade that veils the reality. Just seems like we are desynced here, which is fine.
Bill Gates could be spending his money to develop Africa. He could put money towards solving the water crisis.
He could be the addressing colonialism, imperialism, and modern slavery - including calling out our companies that knowingly use and support child slavery (e.g. for our cocoa). It is a raw deal for these countries - and the first-world overwhelmingly benefits from their labor, resources, and goods/exports.
Yeah instead of billionaires giving away their wealth to charity, I’d much rather tax them and let the government distribute that money.
Capitalism exists in the form it does because government doesn’t exist. It’s a big lie. We are in the age of modern feudalism, ruled by corporations, oligarchs, and others that concentrate wealth, power, and influence.
I wouldn’t trust the government to reliably redistribute the money or to reliably tax the very rich.
We have a system that rewards greed, parasitism, and exploitation with wild success. Until that is solved, redistributing wealth will be unsuccessful — a temporary fix, at best.
The entire raison d’etre of Neoliberalism was to reduce the Power of the State (and hence the power of voters, who elect who controls it) below the Power of Money - leaving just about everything to “the Market” with “non-interventionism” and “deregulation” is really just another way to say that the State should not exercise any power over Money and thus leave Money to be the highest Power.
In other words, Democracy has been destroyed, not by wars or revolutions but by being hallowed out into a meaningless performance (the vote) for control of a lesser power, all thanks to Corruption, Propaganda and Subversion by insiders.
It feels like Feudalism because it is Feudalism, just with better image management.
Right. The solution is a better government.
To get that, we need a better culture.
To get that, we need to rescind our consumerism.
The culture is already there. We have a great base called the constitution and its bill of rights — we largely already support concepts like democracy and human rights.
Humans and our units tend to be weak and vulnerable, we are easily manipulated, and we are easily corruptible. Capital has an greater influence on individuals (and especially our leaders and institutions) than forward momentum and the act of working towards solutions — making life better on this planet for everyone. Capital should not be a factor operating at a level above our ability to govern and direct our societies.
Humanity has to start to learn how to thrive and simultaneously learn to live in balance with the planet. Consumerism is certainly out of control, but it’s reductive and unfair to single out any single person, group, or entity. Humanity is largely kept in survival mode (and also in fear, hate, and division), scarcity is artificial with our current level of technology and organization, and the truth of our consumerism (and its roots) is veiled to us.
Nobody besides the oppressed truly knows the extent of modern slavery, of modern child slavery, and of third-world exploitation.
In my eyes, the solution is direct democracy and socialism. Building up our communities and making our society at large (and especially our cities) self-sustainable.
I personally think that an international human bill of rights would be a wonderful goal to have to kick off a golden age for humanity.
The culture is not here, no.
Right now, most of us believe that those who have more deserve more and those who have less deserve less. We don’t see an issue with, say, someone getting most of their meals through Doordash while complaining they ‘need’ more money.
Until that changes, we can’t expect society to change. We don’t want it to change unless it directly benefits us. If we have to sacrifice anything so those who have less than us can have more, we immediately become conservatives in our rhetoric.
Yes, I do think it’s important to address the echo-chambers and the centers of propaganda, no matter which side of the coin you’re looking at.
To the side that you’re referencing: Fox News (et. al), conservative think-tanks, and the many conservative influencers spread these perspectives and viewpoints. Responsible individuals and organizations convince everyone that it is a matter of survival that they don’t contribute to their societies.
These groups and influencers convince people that others shouldn’t have it easy because it invalidates their struggle. They also convince them that the government is out of control, that it is interested in taking their wealth and their rights, and that it largely doesn’t serve their needs — that they are getting a raw deal.
So these individuals want a small government. They don’t really care what happens to society at large because they are just focused on themselves, potentially their families, or at best a portion of their local communities or churches. They are in the weeds of survival mode and tribalism — they are warding off invaders and perceived threats and stopping others’ ability to take what they earned, including their status and power in society.
The answer is finding the real cost of capitalism, of ineffective governance, and of not making any forward movement as a global society. What are the real costs of this apathy and inaction? It can’t be something that you simply argue with science — with the costs of runaway industrialization, because they have been propagandized to think our emissions/etc. have no affect on the world at large. They are thinking small, and again, in a state of survival.
Conservatives, under the rule of this current administration, are going to be faced with some harsh realities and truth as this stagnation (and at worse, this regression) continues. They are going to quickly find out the source and human cost of our goods, be it domestic produce or various other items sourced from exploited countries.
It’s relevant to point out that an estimated 40% of US agricultural workers (arguably more) are undocumented immigrants. This administration is deporting workers that we depend on to work our fields, harvest our food, and likely produce the products that go on our shelves. They are doing so at a breakneck pace. When these conservatives are forced to work the fields to survive or forced to go into the factories, they will quickly understand how much blood, sweat, and tears go into their consumerism.
As for Doordash, it is a symptom of our apathy, the disconnection with our communities, and the result of local business being crushed. Just like Doordash being not so great, you can’t go to the grocery store and not support modern slavery. You need to consume food to live. The food on our shelves is devoid of nutrition, it is loaded to the brim with chemicals and contaminants (like PFAs, from the use of biosolids to fertilize our crops), and it is vastly under-regulated and making us ill. Our soil practices are also unsustainable and they will only remain viable for approximately 60 more harvests.
If RFK and some of his proposals (particularly regarding food) resonate with these voters, there is hope yet, especially if these individuals get a wake-up call in the form of a food crisis, facing the consequences of alienating our trade partners, and our store shelves going empty.
They already resonate with the government being broken, and we don’t need to give up anything as a society to thrive and live sustainably. We can accomplish all modern convenience and privilege with our technology and ingenuity without raping the environment.
These individuals are propagandized against green energy and regulation (industrial or otherwise). If we can convince them that everybody can thrive without breaking a sweat, and show them the costs of deregulation of our environments (e.g. their communities and their water tables) and the costs of deregulation on our health (their health and the health of their children), they will probably come around quick.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/green-tech/a63152930/proton-batteries/
If that technology is finished, we won’t even need rare elements to store energy. It is a story that many slept on. Solar panels are very cheap comparatively to make.
You mean the government that uses that money for concentration camps and eradicating minorities?
Do a significant group of people will for this policy, and if so, are they being propagandized into willing for it?
Portraying our modern slaves (e.g. 40% of US agricultural workers are undocumented immigrants) as violent and criminal is a big stretch. We largely rely on them to pick our cotton (so to speak), we subject them to horrible working and living conditions, we don’t give them any rights, we keep them in poverty and lack, and deportation has always been on the table for them.
A large fraction of the country doesn’t vote. I haven’t looked at the polling recently, but most people don’t really seem to approve of Trump overall.
Trump and his administration represent capital. Capital wants to maintain control through fascism and authoritarianism.
You don’t simply ignore your oath to uphold the constitution, openly ignore due process, and also be in contempt of court. This is all being allowed to play out by all of our “representatives”, who also represent capital.
The constitution and its bill of rights is inconvenient to capital, just like true democracy. That’s why corporations (et. al) write our laws and tell our representatives how to vote through legalized bribery (lobbying).
For example, it’s bipartisan to want to limit or control speech and expression. It’s also bipartisan to engage in mass surveillance through private corporations, advertisement firms, data brokers, and through the NSA and PRISM. So, the first and fourth amendments have been under attack for a while. It’s nothing new.
This is their final push. If you remember, Clinton, the DNC, and the mainstream media (which represent capital) pushed for Trump in 2016:
Are you having a stroke?
Read the edit that I just put in at the end — Trump’s rise to power is bipartisan.
Democrats currently writing strongly worded letters to the White House, while Trump openly violates the law and shits on the constitution and due process, is not sufficient action and shows their complicity. Again, these people represent capital. Human rights and even a hint of democracy is inconvenient to capital.
You’re allowed to disagree and continue getting gaslit. It’s fine, you do you. I know things are complicated.
I still dont understand what youre getting at? My point was funding the current government is in no way better than having Bill Gates own the money who at least donates it. What part of your comments contradicted that?
My point is that the government doesn’t exist, it’s a facade that veils the reality. Just seems like we are desynced here, which is fine.
Bill Gates could be spending his money to develop Africa. He could put money towards solving the water crisis.
He could be the addressing colonialism, imperialism, and modern slavery - including calling out our companies that knowingly use and support child slavery (e.g. for our cocoa). It is a raw deal for these countries - and the first-world overwhelmingly benefits from their labor, resources, and goods/exports.