Holy smokes, it’s totally wild that this is happening at all. We’re seeing people actually go out en masse and directly interfering with ICE. That’s huge. I love to see it.
Yeah, peaceful resistance will probably be handled a bit differently by the cops if everyone in the crowd has a shotgun over their shoulder. Without even brandishing or using them, just knowing that they’re there changes the equation a lot. Reminds me of that part of Winter on Fire (a documentary on the 2014 Maidan protests) when the protestors have had enough and declare that they’re going to march on the capitol building as armed protestors, and the president can choose to be there or not. After months of shooting and killing unarmed protestors, the cops fucking bailed immediately.
There’s a reason they’re using 6-12 officers to arrest one middle-aged mother. They know the communities they enter hate them and they are terrified of bystanders ganging up on them or worse, ambushing them with firearms.
I don’t think there is a “peaceful show of force” in this scenario. The second a cop sees a civilian carrying a long arm walking up to them, pistols are leaving their holsters and they’ll start screaming commands just like they’re trained. The first shot fired is inevitable from there.
There’s also a reason they haven’t gone after actual gang members that might be armed. They’re arresting the people that show up to their immigration appointments and have diligently updated their address whenever they moved.
The first time I had a gun pulled on me (heh first time gj America) was a cop while was playing with a laser pointer in a church parking lot. I was like 13.
The comment I replied to appeared to suggest that if everyone together brandished firearms at the cops as a show of force, the cops would simply slink away in fear without a shot being fired or anyone being further hurt. Something I would not count on.
It really, really, really depends on numbers. You get obviously more people with long guns (not even brandishing, just having them sling over) than there are cops who firmly let them know that they should get scarce, then yeah, that’s exactly what will happen. Cops have been taught to “go home at the end of the day”, whatever it takes, and that typically means eight of them shooting one suspect 200 times. That math changes REAL quick when it’s an armed crowd.
Cops are fucking coward/bully ( same thing i know ) that why protest need to crank up the fear factor if they dont fear the fascist will continu there is no peaceful solution to this america is at war with himself but only the axis of evil is fighting for now
Holy smokes, it’s totally wild that this is happening at all. We’re seeing people actually go out en masse and directly interfering with ICE. That’s huge. I love to see it.
Next step is to show up armed
Yeah, peaceful resistance will probably be handled a bit differently by the cops if everyone in the crowd has a shotgun over their shoulder. Without even brandishing or using them, just knowing that they’re there changes the equation a lot. Reminds me of that part of Winter on Fire (a documentary on the 2014 Maidan protests) when the protestors have had enough and declare that they’re going to march on the capitol building as armed protestors, and the president can choose to be there or not. After months of shooting and killing unarmed protestors, the cops fucking bailed immediately.
There’s a reason they’re using 6-12 officers to arrest one middle-aged mother. They know the communities they enter hate them and they are terrified of bystanders ganging up on them or worse, ambushing them with firearms.
I don’t think there is a “peaceful show of force” in this scenario. The second a cop sees a civilian carrying a long arm walking up to them, pistols are leaving their holsters and they’ll start screaming commands just like they’re trained. The first shot fired is inevitable from there.
There’s also a reason they haven’t gone after actual gang members that might be armed. They’re arresting the people that show up to their immigration appointments and have diligently updated their address whenever they moved.
The first time I had a gun pulled on me (heh first time gj America) was a cop while was playing with a laser pointer in a church parking lot. I was like 13.
Why would you “walk up” with a long arm?
The comment I replied to appeared to suggest that if everyone together brandished firearms at the cops as a show of force, the cops would simply slink away in fear without a shot being fired or anyone being further hurt. Something I would not count on.
Yeah, I wouldn’t either, sure as fuck not alone.
It really, really, really depends on numbers. You get obviously more people with long guns (not even brandishing, just having them sling over) than there are cops who firmly let them know that they should get scarce, then yeah, that’s exactly what will happen. Cops have been taught to “go home at the end of the day”, whatever it takes, and that typically means eight of them shooting one suspect 200 times. That math changes REAL quick when it’s an armed crowd.
That’s how it went down with the Bundy standoff.
Cops are fucking coward/bully ( same thing i know ) that why protest need to crank up the fear factor if they dont fear the fascist will continu there is no peaceful solution to this america is at war with himself but only the axis of evil is fighting for now
Right wing ideologies inherently depend on fear.
They are all cowards who will crumple under the first signs of resistance.
Yep present warrants or gtfo
“bUt tHaT wiLL mAkE tRuMp dEcLaRe MaRtIal Law!!”
Yeah New England is at least a small pocket of sanity for now
I can’t wait until ICE agents start seeing how some of us with guns defend ourselves.