Dr. Moose

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Not saying it is, just quite the opposite if what libertarianism is.

Yes I’m generally pro regulation and government oversight but the way European countries implement this sometimes feels like a purposeful moat to protect the rich.

Golden Mean is a philosophy of Aristotel who said that all things have a golden mean (or balance) where existence is optimal.

Basically avoiding any sort of extremism will always be the most efficient path because of uncertainty and imperfection of our existence.

He mostly applied it to virtues of living like justice or wisdom. Sure you can close yourself off and study non-stop or fight all of the injustice in the world without sleep but this is not sustainble and diminishing returns reaches a point where the energy input is no longer returning positive results or even decreasing the overall output.

Imo this applies to basically everything including politics. Because political systems are so complex (and people are so complex) it’s imposible to control the systwm without leaving space for imperfection. So you can be a socialist but you still need to respect some individual freedoms, you can be a libertarian but you still have to admit that some things need to be forbidden for smooth sailing basically.

So nazis are your problem not the IDs right?

It’s just Kafka-esque bureaucracy of everything. It’s almost impossible to get anything done and it’s incredibly demotivating.

No the golden mean also applies to your example too. If rich get too toxic it’s time to bring out guillotines

These thought experiments are fun and truthful and all but I really dont see much value in this speculation tbh. In my 40something years in different cultures I’ve became a staunch believer in Golden Mean of politics. Use the right tool for the right job. Times are good - work on more fteedoms, times are harder - maybe it’s time to tighten up the belts.

I got turned towards Libertanianism when I lived in Germany for a while and if you ever had you’d know why. Then I lived in Asia where it’s the exact opposite and that turned me towards socialism. My point being is that there’s definitely a golden mean to freedoms and any absolutist should be immediately ignored because they are objectively wrong.

It’s not about voting fraud but your entire culture being so crippled by fear that you avoid basic societal structures that are accepted as a net positive literally everywhere else. Maybe it’s time to stand up for yourself?

So maybe fascism is your issue not the ID laws? How come its not an issue in other developed countries.

I’m sorry but not implementing ID cards is literally the dumbest way to address this 🙄

It seems like ID is not the issue here then?

Nah that’s not a justification. Just fix your country instead of running away from your problems. Seriously americans are spineless as fuck.

That’s just crazy to me. How can society function when people are afraid to identify themselves to officials they should be trusting and relying on.

Maybe its time to join the 21st century and issue citizen ids?

No wonder identity theft and scams are so rampant in the US.

What are these issues? Every other country in the world ids voters.

I’m not Trump fan by any means but it’s hard to argue against voter ID. Americans in general seem to live in 3rd world when it comes to IDs with your social security number shit etc.

They are so incredibly dishonorable it’s appalling.

Eh, I think most people would agree with you here but no one would go out of their way to stop or even denounce this cause that’s at the very bottom of the list of issues.

As a westerner who lived in Asia for the past 2 decades I have unusual take on this.

Americans generally aren’t more stupid than anyone else but they have no face saving culture which acts as a useful bottleneck on social and information exchanges. Because of this Americans can easily subscribe and announce their beliefs even if theyre low effort conspiracies because they are not afraid of losing face for believing in something stupid.

Combined that with information flow that is too fast for most to even comprehend let alone keep up with means that Americans are quick to believe lies and don’t feel punished for doing so.

This is very different in face saving cultures like Asia where if you say or do something stupid you’ll have strong social consequences and even spiritual/religious ones if you’re a Buddhist.

The caveat here is why Europeans are a bit better than this? I’m not sure i hadn’t lived there for a while but I’d imagine that smaller countries are less susceptible to this issue as they can correct quicker and I think Europe does have a bit of face saving culture, well definitely more than the US.

TL;DR: Americans are stupid because they are shameless