This scenario affords an opportunity for there to be a mausoleum, and therefore a shrine. I hope he spontaneously combusts just to scare the shit out of the nat-cs.
I think, regardless of how, or when he dies, there will be shrines and monuments built by his supporters in much the same way as a cult. I can also see it turning out like Jamestown where his supporters drink the Kool-Aid and also I can see a Dalai Lama situation where his supporters believe his soul has inhabited The body of the new leader, thus opening the doors for a wave of new grifter and liars to control the new Trump cult.
Honestly, I think if he dies, most of his cult of personality dies with him. I bet many pull a Bush -> teabagger routine again and pretend they didn’t really like that washed-up game show host that much anyway, since he wasn’t a True Conservative ™. Remember, conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed by people improperly living up to True Conservatism ™.
So, no matter how many blatant failures of conservatism you can point to, the cons will always have an out, such as not doing it hard enough, or that they were foiled by those nasty Democrats, uppity POC, outspoken women, devious liberals, the Deep State, or whatever other bullshit you care to name.
They’ll still be cons, though, and they’ll seek the next hit of China White. They won’t settle for a Ronnie Raygun or a Bush, they’ll want to up the ante and have someone who “says what I’m thinking” - most especially if what is being verbalized are some of the darkest thoughts at the root of the Republican movement. So I’m thinking they will wait for an even bigger asshole than donnie and then pretend they never had all that donvict gear on their person, their car, their house…EXACTLY like they did for Dumbya.
I don’t disagree that regardless of a physical burial site his cult will have their ‘pilgrimage’ sites. I do want to just point out that current sentiment is not everyone in Jonestown (not Jamestown) voluntarily drank the Flavor Aid. The whole story is harrowing, even more so when you put it into the context of the time period it took place in.
If you listen to the tapes (which, totally understandable to not) - there was a woman (iirc) who argued pretty vociferously against Jim Jones plan. They had killed a U.S. congressman at that point - the idea was that they were doomed anyway. But people did argue against him.
Another aspect is that they had started the suicide drills long before they had even moved to Guyana. They had church services in California where they were told to drink what they were taught was poison.
People who didn’t drink the Flavorade were shot. You don’t need everyone to go along with it - you just need a handful of the people who are willing to take quick, immediate action.
The recent Behind the Bastards episode about Kevin Smith (not the director of Dogma but a Jamaican Pentecostal preacher) makes this pretty clear - there’s these fucked up dynamics which make certain people more willing to act, and others less so.
Yeah, I didn’t want to get too deep in the weeds, but it’s so much more complex thank ‘drink the kool-aid’. I’ve listened to the 40+ minute tape as well, and linked a well written Britannica article detailing these points as well as some important cultural impacts in my original comment.
A large portion of his ‘congregation’ were Black Americans who were beaten down by the status quo at the time. I can’t blame them for grasping at hope that his de-segregated ‘church’ valued them for the people they were. As you said there were drills for this sort of thing before, so it’s impossible to say if the ones who initially volunteered for it were truly aware of what they were doing.
I’m personally not a ‘Behind the Bastards’ person. I very much enjoy historical dark comedy; just not as a teacher. I’m more of a fan of ‘referential’ humour in that regard. If I’m trying to learn something I want it as honest and close to the source as possible.
I sure hope normal Americans construct their own pilgrimage sites that involve relieving themselves onto something donvict-related. Maybe a few urinals themed with some of the many unflattering photos/caricatures of him. None of that weirdly lit stuff for his supposed booking picture where he’s trying to look like a tough guy, either. I’m talking ones where captain combover has his hair in total disarray, or where his orange makeup is clearly contrasted with his normal white skin…
Jesus Christ that response weighed heavy in my stomach, because all 3 of your scenarios seem equally likely, and possibly even all 3 at the same time as his followers splinter like the abrahamic religions.
This scenario affords an opportunity for there to be a mausoleum, and therefore a shrine. I hope he spontaneously combusts just to scare the shit out of the nat-cs.
I think, regardless of how, or when he dies, there will be shrines and monuments built by his supporters in much the same way as a cult. I can also see it turning out like Jamestown where his supporters drink the Kool-Aid and also I can see a Dalai Lama situation where his supporters believe his soul has inhabited The body of the new leader, thus opening the doors for a wave of new grifter and liars to control the new Trump cult.
Honestly, I think if he dies, most of his cult of personality dies with him. I bet many pull a Bush -> teabagger routine again and pretend they didn’t really like that washed-up game show host that much anyway, since he wasn’t a True Conservative ™. Remember, conservatism can never fail, it can only be failed by people improperly living up to True Conservatism ™.
So, no matter how many blatant failures of conservatism you can point to, the cons will always have an out, such as not doing it hard enough, or that they were foiled by those nasty Democrats, uppity POC, outspoken women, devious liberals, the Deep State, or whatever other bullshit you care to name.
They’ll still be cons, though, and they’ll seek the next hit of China White. They won’t settle for a Ronnie Raygun or a Bush, they’ll want to up the ante and have someone who “says what I’m thinking” - most especially if what is being verbalized are some of the darkest thoughts at the root of the Republican movement. So I’m thinking they will wait for an even bigger asshole than donnie and then pretend they never had all that donvict gear on their person, their car, their house…EXACTLY like they did for Dumbya.
I don’t disagree that regardless of a physical burial site his cult will have their ‘pilgrimage’ sites. I do want to just point out that current sentiment is not everyone in Jonestown (not Jamestown) voluntarily drank the Flavor Aid. The whole story is harrowing, even more so when you put it into the context of the time period it took place in.
If you listen to the tapes (which, totally understandable to not) - there was a woman (iirc) who argued pretty vociferously against Jim Jones plan. They had killed a U.S. congressman at that point - the idea was that they were doomed anyway. But people did argue against him.
Another aspect is that they had started the suicide drills long before they had even moved to Guyana. They had church services in California where they were told to drink what they were taught was poison.
People who didn’t drink the Flavorade were shot. You don’t need everyone to go along with it - you just need a handful of the people who are willing to take quick, immediate action.
The recent Behind the Bastards episode about Kevin Smith (not the director of Dogma but a Jamaican Pentecostal preacher) makes this pretty clear - there’s these fucked up dynamics which make certain people more willing to act, and others less so.
Yeah, I didn’t want to get too deep in the weeds, but it’s so much more complex thank ‘drink the kool-aid’. I’ve listened to the 40+ minute tape as well, and linked a well written Britannica article detailing these points as well as some important cultural impacts in my original comment.
A large portion of his ‘congregation’ were Black Americans who were beaten down by the status quo at the time. I can’t blame them for grasping at hope that his de-segregated ‘church’ valued them for the people they were. As you said there were drills for this sort of thing before, so it’s impossible to say if the ones who initially volunteered for it were truly aware of what they were doing.
I’m personally not a ‘Behind the Bastards’ person. I very much enjoy historical dark comedy; just not as a teacher. I’m more of a fan of ‘referential’ humour in that regard. If I’m trying to learn something I want it as honest and close to the source as possible.
I sure hope normal Americans construct their own pilgrimage sites that involve relieving themselves onto something donvict-related. Maybe a few urinals themed with some of the many unflattering photos/caricatures of him. None of that weirdly lit stuff for his supposed booking picture where he’s trying to look like a tough guy, either. I’m talking ones where captain combover has his hair in total disarray, or where his orange makeup is clearly contrasted with his normal white skin…
I hope all the younger men in the magazombie contingent are convinced to cut their own nuts off - before they breed.
Jesus Christ that response weighed heavy in my stomach, because all 3 of your scenarios seem equally likely, and possibly even all 3 at the same time as his followers splinter like the abrahamic religions.
Yes I know it gives me a chill too.