Am I the only one that thinks one drive is cool? Apart from the fact that Microsoft tries to confuse the user and also harvests their data.
I think its cool to have core user folders that are automatically backed up to a cloud account. Ive been trying to find an extremely cheap way to set it up myself on Linux. It would be so cool to open a new distro, login to my cloud storage abd then have all my settings pull in and photos, documents etc. I want my music folder to replicate across all my devices including mobile. I know there are ways to do it synthingbor git, but I’d like a easy way like onedrive haha.
No because in this meme there is no difference of saving it to one drive vs your home folder so tricking the user into putting documents in one drive instead of the home folders is fine. Both instances will have a document locally available. Unless hankhill is concerned about microsoft snooping his files, which id argue thats not onedrives fault thats a using windows problem.
I mean, yes. It is cool until a timestamp error convinces OneDrive to nuke your entire use folder. IT at my organization actually bans the use of OneDrive for whole disk synchronization. We can’t get rid of it because it is just part of the Office and Outlook package, they depend on it for some dumb reason. But, enough people lost work valuable documents, and it consumes so much storage, that we were under a “how to disable OneDrive backup without losing your documents” campaign for several months. It is also an information leak target, that shit sends unencrypted telemetry and compromised our data security model.
Of course, but the problem is that it is a waste of time over something that shouldn’t happen in the first place. Our teams are often out in rural areas with spotty internet connections. If a bad sync can wipe their user folders, it takes a good connection to do the rollback with the ICT team hundreds of kilometers away. You can take a wrench out of the gearbox, but it doesn’t mean the gearbox isn’t fucked for a long while during repairs, and the wrench shouldn’t have been thrown in to begin with.
The worst part is that we have to keep working with the neutered OneDrive because MS is shit.
I’m not doubting that happened but i have no idea how one drive would nuke your folders. When there is a difference in time between local and cloud one drive forces you to manually choose which version of the file should stay. What’s Whole disk sync is that like sync the entire c drive why would someone do that?
I do not understand most of your points at all. They dont seem like real onedrive issues and instead come off as internal issues of configurations and bad process.
By default OneDrive comes configured to backup the entire user folder, it overrides the default user structure. It creates a labyrinth of shortcuts. This messes with other applications that expect a default user folder hierarchy, but sometimes it fails to resolve the correct links. You effectively end up with two user folders that coexist on the same symbolic links and are both present in your computer at the same time (different place on the harddrive but same place for the OS). This wouldn’t be a problem if OneDrive were only backing up the folders one way. Unfortunately, it is actually syncing the OneDrive and your folders bidirectionally, and this includes deleting files and folders.
Thus, if another program or another computer associated with your active directory user account messes with the folders at the same time, there exists the possibility that OneDrive confuses your empty user folder, with the virtual user folder. It believes the empty folder structure is the newest and most updated version. Because internally it only has time stamps but it doesn’t store metadata on the procedures. It sees, file existed at 01:33:12 and no longer exists at 01:33:13, it doesn’t know why it doesn’t exist anymore. Now it thinks this computer is outdated and it proceeds to sync, erasing all files without prompt.
Thats not how it works. One drive creates a one drive folder that sits in your directory. Your directory folder still has the documents/videos folders etc. Inside the newly created one drive folder is a documents/videos folders etc. Onedrive changes the system path to use these folders instead. If onedrive is offline the files can still be saved to the one drive folder. If a programming uses a hardcoded path for some reason then that path still exists because \user\documents still exists and \user\onedrive\documents exists.
Its actually quite simple and works well in my opinion.
It’s just as cool as any other cloud storage :) I think I prefer Dropbox, but OneDrive is fine as well. Can’t recall last time I had serious issues with either of them.
If we are talking about folder backup feature, I personally don’t like it and think cloud storage should target only 1 special folder. Then again it is very useful for regular users - Sally from accounting team no longer will lose her 100 important files that she keeps on her desktop after computer gets ransomware.
And it is an optional feature so I don’t really understand what is everyone complaining about.
I use NextCloud to access and sync my files. I set up my own server, which isn’t exactly as simple, but there’s managed Nextcloud services by hetzner for ~ five Euro/month for 1TB of storage that you can access with NextCloud apps.
OneDrive is a decent solution for non-techies who need a backup system. I’ve installed it for octogenarians who certainly would never backup anything on their own. It does versioning on the files, so it can protect against ransomware and provide fallback to earlier versions.
Whenever I am remotely helping one of the people I have it setup for, I glance at the icon to see if it is working. Occasionally, I see it complaining about a single file not syncing for some reason, but that generally will resolve itself by the next time I check.
It has a vault that requires additional authentication for your most sensitive files.
I like it—I’m sure its not perfect, but it isn’t terrible.
Check that again. OneDrive is not a backup application, it is a cloud storage application. By default it syncs folders. If you open OneDrive on the web and delete a file there, it will be deleted on the computer on your drive. It’s not backing up your folder, it is replacing it. The internet is filled with testimonies of people failing to understand this basic difference and getting confused about why their files are deleted. Most other cloud services do one way backup by default. MS does a poor job of explaining this behavior and just push for the use of OneDrive blindly.
These seem like semantics to me. Saying it isn’t a backup, when it successfully restored my uncle’s 25 years of files after his hard drive failed, doesn’t ring true to me. OneDrive allows recovery of data from ransomware, common user error like deleting or overwriting files, drive failure and catastrophe like fire. What use cases does this backup methodology lack for you that is important for casual end users?
Personally, I architected datacenter backups for a large company with business critical data. This was a decade ago, but even then I was responsible for architecting logical, physical, application, database, snapshot, tape and site replication for about a petabyte of data (hard drives used to be small). When you say that some of those things are not backup, I don’t understand why you think that? Different types of backups have different strengths, weaknesses and use cases.
Am I the only one that thinks one drive is cool? Apart from the fact that Microsoft tries to confuse the user and also harvests their data.
I think its cool to have core user folders that are automatically backed up to a cloud account. Ive been trying to find an extremely cheap way to set it up myself on Linux. It would be so cool to open a new distro, login to my cloud storage abd then have all my settings pull in and photos, documents etc. I want my music folder to replicate across all my devices including mobile. I know there are ways to do it synthingbor git, but I’d like a easy way like onedrive haha.
Well, that’s the main problem. You can’t put it aside in this discussion.
No because in this meme there is no difference of saving it to one drive vs your home folder so tricking the user into putting documents in one drive instead of the home folders is fine. Both instances will have a document locally available. Unless hankhill is concerned about microsoft snooping his files, which id argue thats not onedrives fault thats a using windows problem.
I mean, yes. It is cool until a timestamp error convinces OneDrive to nuke your entire use folder. IT at my organization actually bans the use of OneDrive for whole disk synchronization. We can’t get rid of it because it is just part of the Office and Outlook package, they depend on it for some dumb reason. But, enough people lost work valuable documents, and it consumes so much storage, that we were under a “how to disable OneDrive backup without losing your documents” campaign for several months. It is also an information leak target, that shit sends unencrypted telemetry and compromised our data security model.
You can roll your onedrive back to a previous point in time in the event of a ransomware, technical issue or user mistake that causes issue.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/restore-your-onedrive-fa231298-759d-41cf-bcd0-25ac53eb8a15
OneDrive does not do full disk synchronization to my knowledge.
Of course, but the problem is that it is a waste of time over something that shouldn’t happen in the first place. Our teams are often out in rural areas with spotty internet connections. If a bad sync can wipe their user folders, it takes a good connection to do the rollback with the ICT team hundreds of kilometers away. You can take a wrench out of the gearbox, but it doesn’t mean the gearbox isn’t fucked for a long while during repairs, and the wrench shouldn’t have been thrown in to begin with.
The worst part is that we have to keep working with the neutered OneDrive because MS is shit.
I’m not doubting that happened but i have no idea how one drive would nuke your folders. When there is a difference in time between local and cloud one drive forces you to manually choose which version of the file should stay. What’s Whole disk sync is that like sync the entire c drive why would someone do that?
I do not understand most of your points at all. They dont seem like real onedrive issues and instead come off as internal issues of configurations and bad process.
By default OneDrive comes configured to backup the entire user folder, it overrides the default user structure. It creates a labyrinth of shortcuts. This messes with other applications that expect a default user folder hierarchy, but sometimes it fails to resolve the correct links. You effectively end up with two user folders that coexist on the same symbolic links and are both present in your computer at the same time (different place on the harddrive but same place for the OS). This wouldn’t be a problem if OneDrive were only backing up the folders one way. Unfortunately, it is actually syncing the OneDrive and your folders bidirectionally, and this includes deleting files and folders.
Thus, if another program or another computer associated with your active directory user account messes with the folders at the same time, there exists the possibility that OneDrive confuses your empty user folder, with the virtual user folder. It believes the empty folder structure is the newest and most updated version. Because internally it only has time stamps but it doesn’t store metadata on the procedures. It sees, file existed at 01:33:12 and no longer exists at 01:33:13, it doesn’t know why it doesn’t exist anymore. Now it thinks this computer is outdated and it proceeds to sync, erasing all files without prompt.
I’ve seen this happen at least three times.
Thats not how it works. One drive creates a one drive folder that sits in your directory. Your directory folder still has the documents/videos folders etc. Inside the newly created one drive folder is a documents/videos folders etc. Onedrive changes the system path to use these folders instead. If onedrive is offline the files can still be saved to the one drive folder. If a programming uses a hardcoded path for some reason then that path still exists because \user\documents still exists and \user\onedrive\documents exists.
Its actually quite simple and works well in my opinion.
ICloud does the same, but somehow is less intrusive about it. But I’d prefer these things to be opt-in rather than opt-out.
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It’s just as cool as any other cloud storage :) I think I prefer Dropbox, but OneDrive is fine as well. Can’t recall last time I had serious issues with either of them.
If we are talking about folder backup feature, I personally don’t like it and think cloud storage should target only 1 special folder. Then again it is very useful for regular users - Sally from accounting team no longer will lose her 100 important files that she keeps on her desktop after computer gets ransomware.
And it is an optional feature so I don’t really understand what is everyone complaining about.
I use NextCloud to access and sync my files. I set up my own server, which isn’t exactly as simple, but there’s managed Nextcloud services by hetzner for ~ five Euro/month for 1TB of storage that you can access with NextCloud apps.
Yeah im not paying 5 euros a month. I dont want to pay more than $3 nzd a month. I just want to store like 30gb of files.
OneDrive is a decent solution for non-techies who need a backup system. I’ve installed it for octogenarians who certainly would never backup anything on their own. It does versioning on the files, so it can protect against ransomware and provide fallback to earlier versions.
Whenever I am remotely helping one of the people I have it setup for, I glance at the icon to see if it is working. Occasionally, I see it complaining about a single file not syncing for some reason, but that generally will resolve itself by the next time I check.
It has a vault that requires additional authentication for your most sensitive files.
I like it—I’m sure its not perfect, but it isn’t terrible.
Check that again. OneDrive is not a backup application, it is a cloud storage application. By default it syncs folders. If you open OneDrive on the web and delete a file there, it will be deleted on the computer on your drive. It’s not backing up your folder, it is replacing it. The internet is filled with testimonies of people failing to understand this basic difference and getting confused about why their files are deleted. Most other cloud services do one way backup by default. MS does a poor job of explaining this behavior and just push for the use of OneDrive blindly.
These seem like semantics to me. Saying it isn’t a backup, when it successfully restored my uncle’s 25 years of files after his hard drive failed, doesn’t ring true to me. OneDrive allows recovery of data from ransomware, common user error like deleting or overwriting files, drive failure and catastrophe like fire. What use cases does this backup methodology lack for you that is important for casual end users?
Personally, I architected datacenter backups for a large company with business critical data. This was a decade ago, but even then I was responsible for architecting logical, physical, application, database, snapshot, tape and site replication for about a petabyte of data (hard drives used to be small). When you say that some of those things are not backup, I don’t understand why you think that? Different types of backups have different strengths, weaknesses and use cases.