• Vespair@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    This is kind of tangential, but I wish people would make distinction between Marxism and Leninism. Marx didn’t say shit about the vanguard party. Imo, we can reject Leninism without having to reject Marxism.

    Also don’t waste your time arguing with me, because I am woefully uneducated and stupid, but I can only work with what I have, ya know?

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      I accidentally wandered into a lemmy.ml bit recently and said ML can be rejected just on the basis of consistently devolving into cults. The reply came back of “why do you not like Marxism?” as of that’s what I said.

      Oh, and they removed that comment and banned me, but that’s just as well.

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      I don’t think many people on lemmy conflate marxism with leninism outside of .ml, and even there folks seems to see leninism as something on top of marxism and not inherently mixed.

      And then we also have people who feel stalinist style “communo facism” would work well because everyone you like will be fed and everyone you don’t like will be dead. I don’t think anyone ever liked those people, including themselves.

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      6 months ago

      I was explaining what the Libertarian Party wanted to my daughter and she said she didn’t understand why anyone would want a country like that. I told her that virtually no one else does either, which is why Libertarians almost never get elected.

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        6 months ago

        They want a lot of horrible things and a lot of good things. Obviously the capitalist parts are disgusting but at least they dont support genocide (which sadly in this year is extremely rare).

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          6 months ago

          They support a genocide of the poor. One that involves letting them starve to death due to the total lack of social services.

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            Thats to be expected in American politics, I was referring to the fact that at least that dont support the military or funding Israel. Also genocide of the poor is entirely the fault of capitalism and you cant vote that away.

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              “As long as they don’t support the genocide I care about, the genocide they would allow to happen because capitalism is fine.” Gotcha. You do realize that their idea of capitalism where that happens is only what they want, hence my point.

              Very few other people are saying there should be absolutely zero social services and near zero taxation. Just them. That is just death to the poor.

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                6 months ago

                I never said I support capitalism, I said that I despise imperalism and militarism. Also have we not seen death to the poor under Liberalism, those social services are a band aid solution to the gaping wound that is capitalism. Ideally I would like to see a Libertarian-Socialist party get elected (or even better an Anarcho-Syndicalist revolution) but sadly those aren’t options yet.

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                  I wasn’t talking about you, I was talking about the members of the Libertarian party. Because that’s what they stand for. Elimination of almost all social services and taxes. Which would literally kill countless poor people. It would absolutely be genocidal. It’s just not the genocide that concerns you apparently.