• Geetnerd@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    No, Mr. O’Donnell, you’re projecting your morality, ethics, and common decency on people who have none of those things.

    This is why the US Left always lose: they assume the Right is adhering to the Left’s moral code.

    They’re not. They’re depending on the Left to play by those rules, so the Right can take advantage of them. These people are not susceptible to accusations of hypocrisy, because that depends on being able to feel shame, which these people do not.

    When is the Left going to learn? Apparently never.

    You have to fight fire with fire with an opponent who will do literally anything to win.

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      I myself don’t think right and left correlate with any moral code, similar to green and purple teams in some game.

      But about the post and the humiliation - it’s subjective. People for whom such a gift is not humiliating make up a huge proportion of world leaders. Our time is like that.

      So - if there were some deep wisdom behind “our” system of morals where it is humiliating, we could call Trump stupid. We don’t know if there is, likely not since we are losing a war.

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      While I like your point, how exactly should democrats “fight fire with fire” without compromising morals and ethics?

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        They don’t have to.

        They just have to stop being doormats and wimps, and be aggressive. Punch the bullies in the nose. Outmaneuver them, beat them to the punch.

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          I recommend going straight to this point next time. “Punch the bully” is not quite the same message as “fight fire with fire.”

          The former suggests defying explicit power in defense of the weak. That’s a positive message.

          The latter implies beating them at their own game by, for example, “out-corrupting their corruption,” “using fear to reverse-manipulate the masses,” and so forth. Not so positive.

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              Lol below are a bunch of people who misunderstood your intended point, and it’s why you had to clarify here. Just trying to help you out bruh. Next time you help me.

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        Maybe look outside of the US for answers to this.

        I swear to god Us Propaganda has put some kind of horse blinder on the brains of its citizens that blocks out anything that doesn’t happen in the USA.

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          This kind of answer reads an awful lot like ‘You’ll agree with me once you do your own research into vaccines.’ It claims to have an answer but suspiciously refuses to share it.

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            Buddy if you’re expecting me to explain to you knowledge that I’ve gained from reading countless books about theory and history over Lemmy just for your personal benefit while being a cunt about it, I don’t know what to tell you man. Not gonna happen. This isn’t “I watched a YouTube conspiracy video/podcast” shit, which I’m guessing is much closer to the truth for your ideology than mine.

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              My point was simply there is no visible difference between your comment and ones like the paraphrase in mine. You can have ten doctorates. It doesn’t matter. This is the internet. It’s all blindfolded elephant touching on here. Saying ‘you’re wrong’ without support makes you look like an asshole, regardless of your intent or how much weight you think people should give your views. Taking the time to respond, but then not using it to support your claims and, instead, claim the superiority of ‘my time is too valuable to waste on you’ just makes you look like more of an asshole who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. If you don’t want to participate in the conversation, that’s fine, but why pipe up just to say ‘I’m an asshole,’ repeatedly? If you keep saying it, people are going to believe you.

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            It smells a lot like Russian troll farm.

            I didn’t mention anything outside of the US.

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      The goal is to emerge from the fight and still be better than the people you were fighting. Otherwise, what’s the point?

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        I get what you are saying. Normally I say sometimes you need a bit of evil to win. Because that’s what needed to reduce the overall harm being done. Cause historically few things happened peacefully.

        This case the whole point is the moral. Can’t compromise that and have people feel they can trust you. Of course that bs works for Trump ill be dictator for a day. What a timeline…

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      Now that it’s come out that it’s a used jet that the Qataris have been unsuccessfully trying to sell for 5 years, I’d bet money it quietly goes away.

      Clamoring over someone else’s cast off junk is absolutely humiliating to someone like Trump.

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        No, it really isn’t.

        It’s an aircraft worth over $100 million, and given to him “free.”

        And fuck that “It’s junk, not worth much…”

        You’re not clever, or smart.