Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.
Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).
What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there’s any ideology beyond that, the movies don’t really get into it.
In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire’s side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.
Perhaps they do exist, and the Star Wars right wing fans are right and think mega prisons are ok because it’s “only for criminals of course”, and they also rejoiced when the trade routes were taxed.
I’m sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn’t make sense but there it is.
Star Wars is not right wing by America’s fascist standards but it is right wing by most other standards.
Lucas is clearly a firm pro-capitalism liberal. The story criticizes fascism and the concentration of power but hardly criticizes authority and firmly supports strict social hierarchies. There’s an entire sub-caste of sapient slaves called droids that never gets acknowledged as problematic!
And that’s what made Andor very special. It’s an allegory for class struggle and unionization. It’s a story Lucas would have never told, and it is brilliant.
Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They’re probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
Exactly! Any other faction that wins and takes over the galaxy is still running a dystopia. The Orks, however, would be ruling over a utopia where everyone is happy (on account of being Orks and thrilled to fight one another). The Orks deserve to win from a utilitarian standpoint of maximizing happiness!
It makes perfect sense once you realize that their media literacy is through the basement. Regular literacy too, I’d wager. 54% of adults (in America) read below the sixth-grade level. Source.
Unfortunately, yes there’s rightwing Star Wars fans. The GOP even made a video photoshopping DNC leaders at the imperial generals meeting on the Death Star and making Nancy Pelosi the person behind Darth Vader’s mask. They claim the Democrats are the evil empire and that republicans are the rebels.
Three possibilities:
No they don’t.
They kinda do see some vague similarities (there is a prison) if they squint but it’s different because reasons.
They do but they think it’s woke garbage anyway.
Until Andor, Star Wars had paper-thin worldbuilding that let right-wingers see themselves as the Rebels.
Luke is a rural white boy who learns the true religion, which is being suppressed by the government. He uses his religious beliefs and skills honed as a farmboy to fight back. Han Solo is a businessman who just wants to make money moving goods from A to B, but the government keeps interfering, trying to destroy his business (and his personal property).
What are the rebels fighting for? Basically it seems to be about personal liberty and the right to practice their religion. If there’s any ideology beyond that, the movies don’t really get into it.
In most of the series, the empire is literally faceless. The storm troopers have full body armour that covers everything up. The Tie Fighter pilots have full helmets that cover their faces. The only people with faces you see on the empire’s side are the generals and the emperor. That makes it really easy to have the empire represent anything you want.
Part of what makes Andor such a great series is that it puts faces to a lot of the mid-level people in the empire. You see their backstabbing, their jockeying for position, striving for promotion. It really shows what kinds of people work for the empire, and what the values of the normal people are, and why they might want to join the rebels instead.
Oh shi-
This makes so much sense. It’s like a glimpse into some form of enlightenment that I don’t want to experience.
Have some Lemmy Gold.
Perhaps they do exist, and the Star Wars right wing fans are right and think mega prisons are ok because it’s “only for criminals of course”, and they also rejoiced when the trade routes were taxed.
I’m sorry to inform you that there are right-wing Star Wars fans. Just as there are right wing whovians and trekkies and bronies. No it doesn’t make sense but there it is.
Star Wars is not right wing by America’s fascist standards but it is right wing by most other standards.
Lucas is clearly a firm pro-capitalism liberal. The story criticizes fascism and the concentration of power but hardly criticizes authority and firmly supports strict social hierarchies. There’s an entire sub-caste of sapient slaves called droids that never gets acknowledged as problematic!
And that’s what made Andor very special. It’s an allegory for class struggle and unionization. It’s a story Lucas would have never told, and it is brilliant.
Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
nah, they got mad NU-TREK with thier virtue signalling of WOMEN AND gay leads, which was forced by kurtzman. nutrek literally broke thier minds.
Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They’re probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
right wingers had a problem with 90+% female and LGBTQ+ leads, thats all they were complaining about in STD.
I had zero problem with the cast. But after they decided to give Space Hitler her redemption arc, I just couldn’t take the show seriously anymore.
Considering that Section 31 turned into a perverted circus…
Maybe they should try 40k.
Unfortunately, they very much do.
And they don’t understand who the good guys are in 40k either (it’s no one. Except maybe tyranids acting at an instinctual level)
Bullshit, the Orks are working towards increasing average happiness in the galaxy!
I mean, by process of elimination, I guess.
I thought about including orks in there, but they do too many uncool things like trying to fight people who don’t want to fight.
They’re perfectly happy fighting anyone and everyone, including themselves, and just want a good propper fight.
Kind of hard justifying a fight with puppies though…
Exactly! Any other faction that wins and takes over the galaxy is still running a dystopia. The Orks, however, would be ruling over a utopia where everyone is happy (on account of being Orks and thrilled to fight one another). The Orks deserve to win from a utilitarian standpoint of maximizing happiness!
It makes perfect sense once you realize that their media literacy is through the basement. Regular literacy too, I’d wager. 54% of adults (in America) read below the sixth-grade level. Source.
This is a pretty interesting link. I knew the low literacy rate fact before, but from a different source.
Filing this under “conservatives are so stupid. so fucking stupid.”. they want to save money by gutting education and that’s just ass-backwards.
At least 20% of ANY group is comprised of assholes.
Our local park volunteers are 1/5th jerks?! Noooo
(Plausible but hope not)
They root for Vader and the Storm Troopees now and don’t watch Andor, the one I know anyway.
There are left-wing Bronies?
There’s still bronies?
What’s a bron
iey? (will kagi that)E: Oh. And spelling.
I don’t know what to do with this question.
Unfortunately, yes there’s rightwing Star Wars fans. The GOP even made a video photoshopping DNC leaders at the imperial generals meeting on the Death Star and making Nancy Pelosi the person behind Darth Vader’s mask. They claim the Democrats are the evil empire and that republicans are the rebels.
Bro, Paul Ryan likes Rage Against the Machine. I don’t even know if sarcasm exists anymore.
It wouldn’t surprise me if a Nazi likes Inglorious Bastards.
You should be allowed to root for Admiral Thrawn independent of where you are on the political or autistic spectrum!
It was a beautiful moment though.
What did they do when he, somehow, returned?