Congress has an obligation to impeach presidents that break the law. Its like a cop should still arrest a criminal even if the mob boss can get them off and back on the street in hours.
Or what? What happens if congress doesn’t remove him? There is zero reason for the Republicans to go along with this since Trump is giving them everything they want
What do you mean or what? As I said its like the cop who arrests the criminal who skates but arrests him again if he catches him in a crime and again and again. He is obligated to. Congress is obligated to impeach presidents that break the law. Others can vote against it but he is breaking the law an impeachment was put into the constitution to handle the situation. Even if corruption elsewhere in the government can stop it from working.
It’s been shown to be absolutely meaningless since Nixon. And i bet he regrets resigning in whatever special hell was reserved for him. Every impeachment vote/proceeding has been am absolute joke. There is no actual mechanism to boot the president out of office if he refuses.
Edit: sorry i completely dodged your original question. Congress has to begin an impeachment process or what? There is mo actual consequence for anyone who chooses not to
again it does not matter. they have an onus. just like the cop. impeachment was put in to use for problems like this and the onus is there regardless of if it works. They still need to do it. Similarly its an abuse of power to impeach when not warranted or on a technicality like clintons.
It was due to a concentrated effort at establishing FOX, et al as propaganda sources, that have enabled him to get away with such blatant criminality that Nixon couldn’t have dreamed of. Republicans set out specifically to prevent them having to do that ever again, knowing full well they’d be committing crimes in higher office in the future.
I’m not saying don’t do anything. I’m saying impeachment is theatre to appease people like you who apparently still believe it’s worth the time and effort of people who could otherwise be perusing actual solutions but won’t because, since it’s still not obvious, neither left nor right gives quite enough of a fuck about you to bother. Yet, anyway.
What other solutions do these specific people have? Impeachment is the tool afforded them by their office for this problem. Sure, other people should be doing additional things, but what exactly does the impeachment process prevent these specific people from doing?
Yes. An actual, honest to God, liberty loving impeachment would do this.
No. His third impeachment will not accomplish this but you don’t not do it just because you think you know the outcome. You log all the cowards and traitors that reveal themselves in the failed vote for when it’s their turn.
You’ve been allowed to be mad at Republicans for not upholding the rule of law in the first two impeachments since they failed to uphold the rule of law in the first two impeachments… That’s when
I’m mad that the only people in opposing positions of power, the Democrats, are doing theater instead of stopping the Republicans who NEED TO BE STOPPED.
How do you recommend they personally stop fascism? Republicans control all three branches. Impeachment is their only legal avenue of recourse. Do you want them to do something outside their legal options? How exactly does getting arrested do anything but reduce their power to effect change?
I think if democrats did things necessary to actually impede them people would want to support them instead of people starting to think they are complicit.
If they get arrested it makes headlines and more people get engaged.
Just yesterday goons were blocked from entering and fucking up the library of congress, those librarians have more balls than those rich politicians you are fellatiating
Fucking block them from entering the building and voting, form committees and get judges to deputize militas to arrest them. Anything that physically restricts them, because that’s all that has stopped them so far.
" Illegal things are illegal, guess we should keep doing nothing then while pretending it will do anything."
Someday the public will realise that impeachment isn’t the actual removal of someone from office, and in fact (AFAIK) there really isn’t a mechanism in place to do that other than shaming them till they quit of their own accord or imprisonment (and technically they could still perform their job from a cell)
The House can impeach and the Senate takes that impeachment and decides if to remove from office. So there is a mechanism, but it doesn’t work so well when one major party is so far up the presidents ass they would never vote to remove
We do need another failsafe mechanism, perhaps a way for the people to remove a president from office
“No confidence” voting would be great too, but at this point I’m not convinced it wouldn’t result in the same problem with the MAGA cult astroturfing the fuck out of every vote.
Oh no! Hasn’t he been impeached twice already? Like, what other conclusion can society draw but “impeachment is entirely theatre”?
Congress has an obligation to impeach presidents that break the law. Its like a cop should still arrest a criminal even if the mob boss can get them off and back on the street in hours.
Or what? What happens if congress doesn’t remove him? There is zero reason for the Republicans to go along with this since Trump is giving them everything they want
What do you mean or what? As I said its like the cop who arrests the criminal who skates but arrests him again if he catches him in a crime and again and again. He is obligated to. Congress is obligated to impeach presidents that break the law. Others can vote against it but he is breaking the law an impeachment was put into the constitution to handle the situation. Even if corruption elsewhere in the government can stop it from working.
It’s been shown to be absolutely meaningless since Nixon. And i bet he regrets resigning in whatever special hell was reserved for him. Every impeachment vote/proceeding has been am absolute joke. There is no actual mechanism to boot the president out of office if he refuses.
Edit: sorry i completely dodged your original question. Congress has to begin an impeachment process or what? There is mo actual consequence for anyone who chooses not to
again it does not matter. they have an onus. just like the cop. impeachment was put in to use for problems like this and the onus is there regardless of if it works. They still need to do it. Similarly its an abuse of power to impeach when not warranted or on a technicality like clintons.
It was due to a concentrated effort at establishing FOX, et al as propaganda sources, that have enabled him to get away with such blatant criminality that Nixon couldn’t have dreamed of. Republicans set out specifically to prevent them having to do that ever again, knowing full well they’d be committing crimes in higher office in the future.
Oh well, better not do anything at all then. Clown.
Clown?! How dare you!
I’m not saying don’t do anything. I’m saying impeachment is theatre to appease people like you who apparently still believe it’s worth the time and effort of people who could otherwise be perusing actual solutions but won’t because, since it’s still not obvious, neither left nor right gives quite enough of a fuck about you to bother. Yet, anyway.
It’s the only lever they have available to them. NOT doing it is just giving up
What other solutions do these specific people have? Impeachment is the tool afforded them by their office for this problem. Sure, other people should be doing additional things, but what exactly does the impeachment process prevent these specific people from doing?
So this is going to remove him from power?
It’s going to put him in prison?
It’s going to stop or impede him in any capacity?
We know what the answer to all of those are, so why waste time doing things that don’t help at all?
I want the people who are supposed to fight back to fight back in ways that actually matter and effect the situation.
Clown
We’re not allowed to talk about the things that would remove him from power, except very very obliquely.
Yes. An actual, honest to God, liberty loving impeachment would do this.
No. His third impeachment will not accomplish this but you don’t not do it just because you think you know the outcome. You log all the cowards and traitors that reveal themselves in the failed vote for when it’s their turn.
So when are we allowed to get mad at the only people in positions of power to oppose fascism doing theater in place of stopping fascism?
You’ve been allowed to be mad at Republicans for not upholding the rule of law in the first two impeachments since they failed to uphold the rule of law in the first two impeachments… That’s when
Cool I’m mad at the Republicans.
They need to be stopped.
I’m mad that the only people in opposing positions of power, the Democrats, are doing theater instead of stopping the Republicans who NEED TO BE STOPPED.
How do you recommend they personally stop fascism? Republicans control all three branches. Impeachment is their only legal avenue of recourse. Do you want them to do something outside their legal options? How exactly does getting arrested do anything but reduce their power to effect change?
I think if democrats did things necessary to actually impede them people would want to support them instead of people starting to think they are complicit.
If they get arrested it makes headlines and more people get engaged.
If they grew a spine it would be a good thing.
Like what though, specifically?
Which probably isn’t worth sacrificing their vote and presence. Do they let Congress vote from prison?
Just yesterday goons were blocked from entering and fucking up the library of congress, those librarians have more balls than those rich politicians you are fellatiating
Fucking block them from entering the building and voting, form committees and get judges to deputize militas to arrest them. Anything that physically restricts them, because that’s all that has stopped them so far.
" Illegal things are illegal, guess we should keep doing nothing then while pretending it will do anything."
Jesus christ what a bootlicker mentality.
I mean it’s pretty much all they an do unless Americans want to exercise their 2nd Amendment right as it was intended.
Put him in a bigger peach this time so he can’t get out
I think you’re mistaking it for inpeachment.
Someday the public will realise that impeachment isn’t the actual removal of someone from office, and in fact (AFAIK) there really isn’t a mechanism in place to do that other than shaming them till they quit of their own accord or imprisonment (and technically they could still perform their job from a cell)
The House can impeach and the Senate takes that impeachment and decides if to remove from office. So there is a mechanism, but it doesn’t work so well when one major party is so far up the presidents ass they would never vote to remove
We do need another failsafe mechanism, perhaps a way for the people to remove a president from office
“No confidence” voting would be great too, but at this point I’m not convinced it wouldn’t result in the same problem with the MAGA cult astroturfing the fuck out of every vote.