cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/28140949
It’s amazing that a man who does enough ket to bring down a racehorse even dares to use the phrase “drug addict” as an insult.
Whether someone is a drug addict with severe mental illness is irrelevant to whether they’re homeless or not.
Do they have somewhere to live that has a permanent address? No? Then they’re homeless and need help.
Obviously there’s a bit of nuance with things like ProxyAddress where homeless people can have permanent addresses but still be homeless, but the gist of my point is the same! Do they have a home or not?
He’s a violent drug addict, way more dangerous and destructive than any homeless person could be.
The word Elon is a propaganda word it is a lie. It is actually Felon, which is a violent drug addict with mental illness.
where does he even get that idea? i never heard people refer to Elon as homeless.
Not sure what you mean.
Edit: I’m dumb. The joke is that Elon is a drug addict. Hit me a few minutes later.
It’s a joke. He’s implying that Elon is a violent drug addict with severe mental illness. Which is, of course, true.
Thanks. Got it just in time to edit my comment and then see your reply. I’m a dummy.
Projection is the process of displacing one’s feelings onto a different person, animal, or object. The term is most commonly used to describe defensive projection—attributing one’s own unacceptable urges to another.
Psychology Today is another corpo shit hole that avoids paying taxes in the US. Article writers are verified in the loosest sense of the word. Please take psychology today with a grain of salt when used as a resource.
Ok.
its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing interpersonal damage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
Better?
Also I’m not sure why I should care that psychology today does pay taxes in your country when your country is putting tarrifs on every other country in the world.
Depressing fact: Most of the homeless people you see acting all crazy and talking to themselves all the time behaved normally when they started being homeless. It’s spending years in complete isolation, being constantly ignored by everyone around you and having no one to talk to that makes you act like this.
I wouldn’t jump to that though. Most working homeless live out of a car or couch surf, while not doing that.
To add into that, most homeless are just normal people that fell on hard times, you won’t see them cause they don’t want to be a bother. You see the crazies because… Well they’re crazy. Gigantic assholes like musk assume that since you see crazy homeless people wandering outside, then obviously ALL homeless people are crazy violent lunatics. He is the smartest person in the world after all.
It’s spending years in complete isolation, being constantly ignored by everyone around you and having no one to talk to that makes you act like this.
I mean, yeah - it’s that AND the meth.
And heroin, and severe mental illness.
People forget that not every homeless person is just someone temporarily down on their luck. Iirc that $20b figure is just housing the homeless, which doesn’t fix things for people who are mentally ill, drug addicts, or both, and that’s like 60-80% of the chronically homeless.
It’s a massively complex issue with no simple fix.
You’re right, a 100% fix of the problem is not simple or easy. But there’s a whole lot of low-hanging fruit that we can tackle to make huge strides.
While drugs and/or mental illness may be involved in a high percentage of the chronically homeless, the chronically homeless only account for somewhere between 1/5 and 1/3 of all homeless. So housing the other homeless would still take care of the needs of ~80% of all homeless, give or take. Get single-payer healthcare up and running to prevent more people from ending up in those situations, and change from a retributive justice system to one that cares about rehabilitation, and suddenly we’ve got a society that actually cares about people, and would cost less to run while we’re at it.
But, with a functioning safety net, people won’t feel like they have no other choice but to work a shit job for shit wages, and the oligarchs can’t have that.
having been homeless…
the fuck is he talking about and who the fuck does he think he’s fooling
Just more of the same from his class. Wants everyone to believe in a meritocracy, because that means he’s rely great, and the people whose lifeblood he drained to get where he is aren’t victims - they’re just inferior. They wouldn’t be where they are if they were superior like him.
Probably a guillotine wouldn’t even work on him, he’s so superior. Hypothetically.
Himself and his other techbro friends that couch surfed for a while, aka violent drug addicts with severe mental health issues.
A billionaire is the equivalent of a person sitting in a cafeteria who bought every piece of food in the restaurant kitchen and doesn’t want to share any of it with the thousand people sitting around him even though he’ll never be able to eat all the food they bought.
Owning and controlling so much wealth that you’ll never be able to enjoy everything you have in a lifetime isn’t a success or a sign of intelligence … it’s a mental illness. Especially when all that wealth and control could mean the life or death of thousands or millions of people everywhere.
There are exceptions. Warren Buffet (as an example) has given away a large fraction of his wealth, and pledged/planned to give 99% of it over his lifetime (he is 94). It’s a sane strategy to let his shares appreciate and “maximize” his charity.
For a billionaire, he lives modestly and speaks reasonably. He has a sanely sized house. His kids are getting an inheritance, but not a stupidly large one.
Look, I want to tax the shit out of billionaires too, I just object to blanket labeling any group as mentally ill. You know, like Musk did in OP’s post.
Yeah fuck that. Even if warren buffet lives up to the leftist wet dream of what billionaires should do, we need legislation, and if we don’t get it, heads should fucking roll. Billionaires should not exist, full stop. You cannot work that hard, they have not and will not work that hard. Stop thinking like these parasites have any empathy. They will cash you out for 50 cents. Cash them out for far more.
^Not being contrarian but wanna place a bet how damn poorly this is gonna do - no nuance for billionaires (understandable but ears can still be better open than closed)
So those people you’re talking about, Elon… They have homes? No? Then homelessness isn’t a lie, you gigantic sack of human waste.
Elon’s very familiar with the condition of homeless drug addicts.
So the mentally ill deserve to be left to rot in the streets? Why else have a social safety net, if not for them?
What do you want to do, give them a house? – because we closed down all the asylums. That’s where we used to house them. I’d rather give mentally healthy people the houses.
That’s what we do in Finland and it’s been working great so far
Free apartments work for about 80% of people and can be cheaper than hospital/jail!
(And to be specific about that minority of folks, they are not able to pick up after themselves etc.)
CC: @_druid@sh.itjust.works :)
Well we need to think ahead a little bit. We can’t take a mentally ill person right off the street and stick them in a colonial revival and expect them to maintain with the upkeep.
Respect to Kyle. Dude started off in the Atheist channel days of YouTube and didn’t fall down the gamer gate MRA pipeline like most of them did. That was such a right wing cash grab that so many channels grifted towards.
Then he continued with good left adjacent commentary on most issues and stayed true to his moral compass. Didn’t fall for the right wing narratives that TYT and other similar channels had during post COVID. He stayed consistent and didn’t grift to the right for a bigger audience.
I disagree with a bit of what he has said over the years. I disagree with him on a lot of “big picture” stuff. But absolute respect to his consistency. I’m pretty sure he’s still entirely user funded still (no sponsors etc).
It’s refreshing to have watched him on and off for a decade and hes been consistently on the correct side of issues. Its rare to see out of a political commentator.
Been watching him off and on for a decade now, it is nice to see how consistent he’s stayed, and you’re right he is entirely user funded and takes great pride in it.
Yep. Glad to hear that’s still true. It’s so nice to see. A complete opposite of a lot of people that I use to love. Ethan Klein being the worst and most recent example.
Alright I’ll bite, even if Hairplug Himmler is right (and let’s be perfectly clear, he’s not).
Why wouldn’t we as Americans want to help our fellow citizens overcome drug use, treat mental illness, and help rehabilitation efforts on their behalf?
ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE “VIOLENT” and “on the street”. Wouldn’t we want to help them get off the streets?
Wouldn’t that make us safer, happier, healthier, and dare I say… Great Again? Wouldn’t that protect citizens and police officers alike at a lower cost than incarceration? (Spoiler alert it would, but there’s no private for profit companies offering this service).
Wouldn’t these people become tax payers? Employees contributing to society? Become future homebuyers and start a family?
These empathy lacking neo-fascist clowns can’t stop punching down to those less fortunate (while claiming the lords name in vain) and I can’t wait for the day we get the opportunity to match their empathy as they head to prison (preferably one in El Salvador).
Why wouldn’t we as Americans want to help our fellow citizens overcome drug use, treat mental illness, and help rehabilitation efforts on their behalf?
It’s kind of a two-part question, that.
- Do we want to spend the money to get fellow citizens off drugs and treat their mental illnesses?
That’s a pretty easy question if you have a soul: Yes.
- If those fellow citizens refuse any and all help because they have a fundamental mistrust of the system. What do we do?
That’s the more difficult question. Forcing them to get treatment breaches their human rights and only stokes further mistrust in the system. Leaving them just leaves them open to exploitation and doesn’t make their lives better.
Homes are easy, it’s all the support that comes with it that’s difficult, especially if the person you’re trying to help either refuses to engage or actively fights you every step of the way.
Wouldn’t these people become tax payers? Employees contributing to society? Become future homebuyers and start a family?
The very smallest of small percent of them would. Most drug addicts never make it out of poverty because they’ve done something to also give them a criminal record and typically can’t hold down a job.
You’re almost there, and I sincerely value your input. Let’s go on this journey together…
What if we treated them like human beings in need of care and rehabilitation instead of criminals who can’t “hold down a job”?
Why do they not make it out of poverty?
Is it because they can’t afford to? Why is that?
Is it because they can’t afford to make ends meet on a minimum wage job? Can’t find affordable housing? Can’t pay for child care, counseling, health care, or rehab?
What if we helped them get rid of their addiction and didn’t jail them for it?
If we’re going to write off an entire vulnerable demographic of society, we as the functional members have an obligation to ensure that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are available to all. Not just those who can afford it.
Many other first world countries do this successfully already, the problem with our country comes down to the money being made keeping these people locked up and incarcerated.
Look up Norway, Finland, Sweden and their response to crime and rehabilitation. It works, if you focus on helping people instead of helping profits.
Imagine a world where those in need got the billions of dollars in tax payer subsidies that Elon Musk gets?
Dude. What are you doing this for? No shit it’s not a check this box and all problems are solved situation. IF ITS NOT PERFECT, NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING.
One step at a time, and the first step is to have a little fucking empathy.
The first step is to have a little dose of reality. The world isn’t sunshine and lollipops, and the proposed solutions just end up creating slum-housing and spreading the problem around. I’ve seen it put into effect before with horrible outcomes. The path to hell is paved with good intentions and all…
You’re not a realist. You are just a selfish asshole.
Reality? As if the problem is not spread around already. HeLpInG ThESe pEoPle WoUlD bE WoRSe.
Just say what you really think instead of dancing around it. Maybe then someone can have a conversation with you that will actually make a difference.
Coming from someone who has never experienced it, nor has anyone in his family history. That is what needs to change in every billionaires life. Make them homeless foa few years and see how they handle it
Sadly they can’t experience it. Not really.
I remember awhile ago there was some grifter YouTube channel that was posting “Homeless to $100k” videos.
Like even in their made up scenario the first thing they do is ask a friend for a place to stay and some cash.
Like, that’s literally the hardest step and they just act like it’s so simple to the point of not even addressing it.
Most of the difference between people that end up in the final stage of homelessness and people that got back on their feet is the support systems that are available to them.
Which is why people that work to end homelessness do a lot of work focusing on keeping people from even getting to that last stage of homelessness in the first place. It’s much easier for our society to provide safetynets long before anyone ends up on the street addicted to drugs.
Well, times change as often as minds do, so I like to think anything can happen to anyone any time
