- 82% believe presidents should obey court rulings, poll shows
- 76% of Republicans support Trump’s deportation efforts despite court order
- Trump’s immigration approval higher than overall performance ratings
Unless 76% of Republicans makes up 18% of Americans, they got some ‘splainin’ to do.
“Presidents should obey court orders. But not my president, and not those court orders!”
Guys, what the fuck did you think was being discussed?
They failed the marshmallow test as children.
Fun fact:
The marshmallow test was an excellent predictor of future success. Not because it measures self-control, but because it measures family wealth.
The kids who “failed” the test had adults in their lives that made promises they couldn’t keep. They said “maybe we’ll get you that thing you want, when my next paycheck comes” and then the paycheck never came.
So when adults told them “you can eat this marshmallow in front of you — one that actually exists — or you can wait for two that you’ll just have to trust me on”, they understandably called bullshit on that.
The original marshmallow experiment is so popular to cite because it is a “just so story” – that is, as typically explained, it presents a moral lesson that seems intuitively obvious. That’s one reason the result stood for so long without attempts to reproduce it.
Such attempts have now been made, and no one can reproduce the reported clarity of the original. One interpretation of this is related to the wealth of the families involved: the original subjects were, after all, children of Stanford University students, and as such came from families of relative wealth.
There are studies which reach the conclusion you’re reporting (likely popularized by this Atlantic article but it’s paywalled so I can’t check), but the way you present this as a “fun fact” is turning the test into a different “just so story”.
The reality is that, while there are some stats gathered from the marshmallow test and followups that could be interpreted that way, the actual data gathered is too messy and inconclusive to draw any definitive conclusions.
I got it from You Are Not So Smart, but yes — same study.
I take your point, but I’ll offer a couple other things to consider:
All social science findings are, to at least some degree, propaganda1. Everything about them is steeped in social influence, and they only make sense in context of a given society.
That’s why I think the socio-economic finding is actually more true than the delayed gratification finding. It broadens the scope of the considered influences, beyond the individual.
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1 I say this with respect. Because here I am, doing propaganda. Seriously. I don’t like how our society acts like individuals have immutable traits and the world sorts them fairly according to their evaluated worth. Meritocracy is a joke, and we’d all be better off to consider material conditions and moral luck.
They put a ruler under their pillow to see how long they sleep.
76% of Republicans support a dictatorship is what it says.
Not only that, but the same document that was protecting the rights of the people being illegally deported, is what protects those Republicans rights as well. Free speech, press, arms, privacy, jury, fair trial, and more. 78% are saying they would wave their rights to a dictator. It’s extremely short sighted
If those 18% was all republicans, that would come out to 66% of all republicans.
No surprise that 10% of republicans are liars, really.
a mix of liars, too dumb to understand what’s going on, and bootlickers who will do anything their daddy dom tells them to do
It never occurs to them that rules apply to them
18% of Americans fucking insane; over 58% of Republicans massive hypocrites; water wet
Maybe the majority of Americans should have voted.
Didn’t you hear? Neither Democratic candidate was exciting enough, so people are off the hook for staying home… Damn you, Democrats!!!
It’s the politicians job to get votes.
Democrats are complicit in this too. They refuse to engage with viable alternatives so they allow this to happen so that when the country is in crisis they can step in and offer nothing but level heads. Until people get upset again then they step back into the shadows to allow Republicans to do their fearmongering.
A majority of eligible people did vote, unless I’m reading things wrong. Don’t get me wrong turnout did suck and it’s a disgrace imo but a slim majority is still a majority
160 mil people voted. US has 340+ mil.
Now you can change the argument to something easier like eligible people and then have your safe little conversation about small percentages and whatever nuance you feel makes you more correct. Doesn’t change the fact that less than half the people in this country voted.
EDIT: Sorry, I didn’t see “majority”. A majority of people did vote, but not more than the eligible people that stayed home per party.
I really don’t know why this is still the misconception, but no: approximately 90 million eligible people did not vote.
If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate, it would have easily won:
In the link you sent it says 36% of eligible voters did not vote, which is not a majority. The “did not vote winning the election” is a different stat than “majority did/didn’t vote”
Sorry, you’re right. I didn’t see “majority” in your comment, I’ll edit mine. Technically, a majority of people voted, but 90 million people did not. More than voters of either party, but not combined.
This makes sense. But yeah semantics aside, over a third not voting is terrible regardless. When I was young I didn’t understand the people pushing to vote but now I’m older… I get it. Seeing so many people not care, or suppressed and not getting votes in, it’s disheartening to say the least. We really dropped the ball, down a hill, into a manure lagoon
How many of these states never flip though? I know at least three that are safely blue so of course not everyone voted.
Have you considered that maybe some of them “never flip” because people don’t vote?
Technically more eligible registered voters did vote that didn’t, but it really doesn’t tell the whole story. 77 million voted for Trump. 75 million votes for Harris. Just under three million voted for a third party candidate of some kind. 90 million didn’t vote but were registered to vote.
We also don’t know the number of potentially eligible but not registered people there are.
The US has an estimated 340 million population. An estimated 260 million are adults.
It’s easy to see why people say ~30% of the country is deciding our fate.
I hate that we’re at a point where this is even a question.
Thoughts like this fill my mind constantly.
It should be common sense. It’s like asking people if they think people should have to obey laws
Trump’s party still believe the courts should generally be able to check the power of U.S. presidents, but that many Republicans would support Trump defying a court order in order to deport people seen as a threat.
so, 76% of republicans reject the idea of due process. noted.
I watched a lady who studies dictators on a Wired video recently and she said about 30% of the population believes in dictatorship as an effective way to govern. She explained it as people who are generally dictatorial in their life. My way or the highway type people. Tyrannical microcontrollers. Helicopter parents, etc. These people seem pretty common in my experience so it made sense. And considering about 30% of the population voted for Trump and 30% voted for Harris and the rest didn’t vote it makes even more sense.
so, 76% of republicans reject the idea of due process when it does not involve them. noted.
You missed an important factor
If I am expected to obey the law then I expect everyone to obey the law. If those in charge do not obey then I should not have to obey the law.
Can’t fault that logic.
And honestly, arresting your President for breaking the law should totally be a common thing. Why should someone be treated special just because they hold an office?
What’s scary is… there’s a significant number of Americans who believe presidents shouldn’t obey courts.
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AmericansRepublicans who apparently think that fucking over due process won’t hurt them. How do they know there weren’t American citizens on that flight? how do they know they won’t be put on the next?)(Edited to fix a typo, thanks for pointing it out, Eric,)
It’s 76% of republicans thankfully, not Americans.
It never occurs to them that rules apply to them
Majority of Americans didn’t vote for Trump’s opposition. Doesn’t really matter what they think now, does it?
When you don’t vote what you think doesn’t count.
That’s a pretty scary line of thinking. The Constitution says, “We the People,” not “We the People who voted.”
Yes, everyone should vote, but that doesn’t mean the opinions of those who didn’t are invalid. Please contact your representatives regardless of whether you voted or for whom you voted.
A majority of Americans also didn’t vote for Trump.
The ones that didn’t vote acknowledged their acceptance of Trump. FUCK THOSE AMERICANS.
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Majority of Americans should have fucking voted accordingly.
18% of Americans are fucking nuts.
How many of them though believe a President should be of the service of the people they govern? Give us percentages on that.
These results are what I would expect given how much immigration is a scapegoat this time around. Pure hatred on the part of Trump voters, fueled by propaganda. No amount of logic will end that and they will always support what fits into their skewed worldview to avoid cognitive dissonance.
There is a reason why the “Denazification” of Germany after WWII was more so a process rather than an event.
Denazification famously failed because we literally gave up on it.
King John is raging somewhere
