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    Yes AOC, he is. We all know. Some pieces of shit Americans however earnestly did not give a fuck clearly.

    I have nothing to say that’s constructive but I also have nothing to do to fill the void.

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    Are she and Sanders the only politicians in the United States actively opposing Trump? I keep searching for news of others taking a stand, but it appears only those two are doing so openly.

    Trump has crossed so many lines but I really do not see any outcry, mass resistance or opposition?

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      Illinois governor JB Pritzker is openly opposing through legislation and trolling. He held a mock press conference stating that Lake Michigan was now Lake Illinois and went to the zoo to negotiate with penguins on tariffs. California governor Gavin Newsom is suing the Trump admin over tariffs.

      There were also coordinated protests across the US a couple weeks ago. Every town hall held by Republicans is a complete zoo, so much so that certain reps fear for their life and have stopped holding them.

      Federal workers are leaking musk directives and doing their best to stall the doge squad.

      Just because Trump hasn’t been removed one way or another from office doesn’t mean that people are doing nothing.

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      Al Greene, Jasmine Crockett, Tim Walz, and Saikat Chakrabarti. When Trump starts to openly murder American citizens, I expect many fired military leaders will suddenly be leading National Guards.

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      Trump has crossed so many lines but I really do not see any outcry, mass resistance or opposition?

      Be mindful not to mistake suppression of dissent with lack of dissent. News media is actively avoiding protests. We’re out there, even if the news cameras aren’t.

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        We are all aware the media/news companies are owned by the billionaires who want to control the narrative, why do ppl forget that and start saying stuff doesnt matter because it hasnt hit the news

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      That’s because he controls the media.

      The guy from the Circle Jerks just called for an army of Luigi Mangionis while on stage at Coachella, so there’s that

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      Exactly how are they “opposing Trump.”

      Bernie voting yes on Marco Rubio should be all anyone needs to know about Trump’s “opposition.”

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      Seems that way, yes people are starting to protest but not nearly enough, and as another commenter mentioned the media is not covering it, which should surprise no one.

      The Democratic party needs to be laying out the facts when the CiC lies to the people, but nope they seem to be just sitting back sulking saying “see we told you this would happen and since you didn’t vote us in we’re not going to do shit”

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      Me too. Unfortunately, I feel like she’s in a not great position when hits start flying, putin style.

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    are they going to impeach and remove him!!!

    he’s literally violating court orders from unanimous supreme court orders.

    if they don’t impeach, remove, and jail him (I’d rather he be sent to CECOT) they are all complicit.

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      Inappropriate assessment. I fear for everyone’s safety. Constitutional freedoms and the rule of law protected everyone. Removing them is a double edged sword that puts everyone at risk.

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        This is as stupid as saying “all lives matter” after seeing a BLM sign.

        Obviously everyone’s safety is at risk right now, and in the near future. The og comment wasn’t saying “screw everyone else, save her!” They were simply wishing for the safety of one of the most outspoken, and therefore vulnerable people actually making a difference in this situation.

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            You’re not wrong, but the person responding to you us correct. Both things can be true, but attempting to divert the message waters it down. We’re all in danger and have a fascist MAGA problem. However, AOC is 100% in more danger than the average person in the US. There is no reality where I would be in more danger than AOC is unless in some other reality we swapped places.

            She is openly and vocally speaking out with a position of power and influence.

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        Inappropriate assessment

        Good point… I was under the impression that I was only allowed to fear for one person’s safety at a time 🙄

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      She will 100% but maybe that what need to be so a real revolution start because the peaceful protest don’t do shit to stop fascist

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            The left:

            If we don’t give voters what they want, we’re gonna end up with fascism.

            Fascists:

            Take over a country because “moderates” fight the left harder than fascism

            “Moderates”:

            Why dont we just blame the left again?

            Do you legitimately not understand what’s happening now?

            Because it’s literally the same way Nazis came to power the first time; “moderates” fighting the left

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              Absolutely incredible to acknowledge that voters chose fascism because the alternative wasn’t perfect enough, yet still act like they’re blameless.

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                Yes

                The voters weren’t given a good enough choice to hold their nose for the 4th time in a row…

                You’re acting like people just chose this election to sit out and havent been disenfranchised for (for the majority of Dem voters) their entire lives.

                Because for you personally, things haven’t been that bad yet, so you refused to help anyone else because “what are they gonna do, vote Republican?”

                Completely ignorant of how voting works and that the result would just be checking out of politics and not voting. Which when enough Americans do, Republicans win elections

                You didn’t want to help anyone, and now you’re mad the people you weren’t going to help no matter who won the election didn’t help you

                As I told someone else, the solution is helping everyone so people will be motivated to vote because they have something to lose.

                Like, how the fuck does someone make it to 2025 and realize that people with nothing to lose act like they have nothing to lose?

                The “moderate” wing followed the same playbook that got Hitler elected by fighting the left harder than they fight the right…

                And are now acting shocked when the same result happened.

                So you’re mad at everyone that warned you like people in the 1500s burning a woman for being a witch because she said a storm was coming.

                Fucking ridiculous mate. But at least you feel self important, that’s what matters to some people I guess.

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                If you keep returning to this argument rather than uniting to fight fascism, aren’t you doing the same thing as people that didn’t vote/voted for a 3rd party?

                You’re intentionally shifting the argument back to blaming leftists to justify your own morality rather than addressing the current situation, which is dealing with the immediate threat of full blown fascism.

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                People are dumb emotional animal, and propaganda works. Bitching about this fact won’t change it. We live in a system where everyone gets to vote, even the stupid. If you as a politician fail to appeal to everyone, regardless of intelligence, then you are the one to blame.

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                  I wouldn’t vote for a politician that appealed to everyone because that would mean they did things I fond reprehensible.

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            At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.

            The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.

            Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.

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            The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.

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              I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.

              How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?

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                Straw man. I voted for Harris.

                https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:

                Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called “moderate” approach.

                How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?

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                  Yes, it was totally the fault of random people (especially citizens of another country like me) who didn’t push the Dems to be more progressive that got Trump the win… because all the people who voted the orange shitstain totally would’ve swung left if the left party had been more left. Makes perfect sense.

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              Well, now we have genocide in the US, so how did taking that stand work out?

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            Do I need to change my name to name-name-3digits to join your trollfarm?

            Edit: they got me boys, there goes all my karma. Hahah.

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                  Haha this feels like the poor folks who end their username with their birth year being 88.

                  Not all is random name 3 letters are trolls.

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              I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.

              This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.

              It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.

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                But could you imagine Ent wine? Like, what does a tree get drunk on?

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                  Fermented orc blood. Distilled for a really good time. There was a really good vintage out of the East recently.

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                I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.

                I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.

                Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.

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              Can confirm. No pony was offered and several people on here loudly proclaimed they would be allowing trump to win because of it.

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          When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.

          A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump…

          But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.

          Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn’t be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn’t win, and she said she wouldn’t do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.

          So you can blame voters not voting.

          But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.

          It’s the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can’t blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.

          This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with

          We can’t afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.

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            It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.

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              They didn’t do a bad job campaigning, they told us exactly who they are, barely left of trump Republicans

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                Remind me how many times Biden violated the constitution?

                Don’t get me wrong champ, shit needed to change, but you do see how the situation now is a lot fuckin worse? Right?

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              If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we’d have been stuck voting for someone we don’t want who won’t fix anything for 8 years…

              Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.

              It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we’d be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.

              Maybe it wasn’t bad for you till now, maybe you’d even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything…

              But most Americans weren’t

              Getting upset that they didn’t care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.

              So…

              How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn’t help didn’t help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.

              That’s the way to actually get anyone help, if you’re not in board, don’t be surprised when no one wants to listen to you

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                So true bestie, glad we voted in a fascist so we don’t have to worry about elections at all anymore. Really stuck it to those pesky libs.

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                  Maybe you voted for trump, but I held my nose like I always do.

                  Crazy you all think everyone explaining why Kamala lost didn’t vote for her.

                  Like, I guess it makes sense tho, without the empathy to understand why some people couldn’t or wouldn’t hold their nose, you also can’t understand how anyone else can empathize with them.

                  To someone like that, it would make sense why they’d assume anyone explaining this didn’t vote D.

                  It’s sad, but thanks to empathy I can understand why you’re saying the things you’re saying, and why you can’t understand anything that’s happening

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            Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything

            You spell “things were slowly improving from disaster” and “didn’t allow america to slide into recession as we emerge from global 100-year pandemic” weird.

            I love how this ‘gaslight’ lie is itself a gaslight. Sorry Stein lost, but she couldn’t have won, and wasn’t supposed to. She was funded to fool you and others into forgetting it was really a binary choice, and your split votes allowed Republicans to win. Take the win.

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              Almost all the recovery went to the owner class, and you’re fucking blaming the working class for noticing. Quit your bullshit.

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                Almost all the recovery went to the owner class under Biden, so let’s elect Trump and transfer EVERYTHING to the owner class.

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                  I never said the public was smart, just at least a little bit observant. ¯\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

                  When the status quo sucks, any chance at improvement—even a dubious one—starts to look good. That’s why it was so fucking essential for the Democrats to pivot left economically, not (just) socially! But they abjectly refused, because in their heart of hearts neoliberals are aligned with the capitalist owner class and thus would rather have a fascist dictatorship than a socialist democracy.

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              the oniony layers of gaslighting are incredible here: the republicans won because the democrats didn’t vote. there aren’t enough split voters to even cover the gulf of voters that the democrats lost anymore and they lost it because of their support for the genocide.

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            But instead of fixing anything

            When we showed you literally how he was fixing things, you LITERALLY DENIED REALITY AND CALLED IT FAKE NEWS.

            You people are a cult just as bad as MAGA, and serve the same ends.

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            When I don’t like the deal my car dealer offers, I tell him no, and I leave.

            When I don’t like the deal the democrats offer, I tell them no, and I call anyone on Lemmy who supports them a fascist. And I don’t care who calls me a tankie, I stand with Russia!

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          People voted, but the MAGA Nazis rigged the election, and we ALL know it. Too bad the Democratic leadership decided to help the MAGA Nazis cover it up, and declare that they won “fair & square.” Rich Democrats like Schumer can be bought as easily as any Republican.

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            the MAGA Nazis rigged the election

            I wish to investigate your citations.

            It seems quite likely, but aside from the plain-sight rigging (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc etc) I haven’t seen anything except that one “computer science” guy whose numbers were contradicted by election officers.

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              The cascade of bomb threats in blue areas’ poking centers of swing states didn’t reach your attention?

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              Why are you excluding the “plain sight rigging?” Beyond gerrymandering, millions of voters were disqualified through ostensibly legal means that likely wouldn’t stand up to legal challenge, but the Democrats were so concerned about taking the high road to pre-empt accusations of “throwing a tantrum” like the right did on January 6 that they just let it all slide.

              https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f

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                Well, for one that’s not new - they’ve been doing that for a long time.

                For two, as an example, where do we get “millions” of voters from? Is it a non-corporate-news blog without citations? My preference is corporate news with citations since that’s going to have the biggest impact.

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                  You could read what I linked; guy lists his own credentials and experience in addition to his sources.

                  Still curious why “they’ve been doing that for a long time” is justification for you to just ignore all the unethical voter disenfranchisement occurring, especially considering the unprecedented scale (of which you be aware if you’d read my link).

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            So, the MAGAs didn’t rig the election in 2020 and let Biden win, and then when they were out of power decided to steal it? You contradict yourself.

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              When Biden won, states launched literally hundreds of pieces of legislation to make sure that didn’t happen again. Did you not notice?

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              Honestly, I suspect they’ve been trying trying their hardest to rig the last several elections, which is why they were so pissed off and in denial about 2020: they were incredulous that they rigged it and still managed to lose anyway.

              But yeah, we’ve been having exit poll discrepancies, Republican success strangely correlating with the installation of Diebold voting machines with no paper ballot, outsized performance for certain Republican candidates even though Democrats won down-ballot races, and other weird anomalies for couple of decades now.

              That said, I don’t necessarily think that Republican rigging changed the 2024 outcome. I was watching them insert MAGAts into election boards, pack the courts, and gear up to refuse to certify votes and whatnot, so I was fully expecting “stop the steal 2.0” except successful this time. But then Harris gave a big middle finger to the left and subsequently underperformed so badly that she just lost outright, so the foul play wasn’t even necessary.

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                The truth is that outright stealing elections via vote rigging is an incredibly risky strategy. If you do that, and you get caught? That’s the kind of thing that can legitimately trigger an actual civil war. Rationally, it’s just not worth the risk. It’s especially not worth the risk when there are plenty of other shady but legal options available like gerrymandering, voter roll purges, corrupt judicial rulings, etc.

                This dynamic is also why you rarely see companies bribing politicians with giant bags of cash delivered in the night. There’s no need to engage in such overt bribery, as they’ve already constructed a system where legal forms of bribery (campaign contributions) exist.

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                  What do you think they’re afraid of? Every time they get caught doing something blatantly illegal, the only consequence is their base gets more enthusiastic. And they’re not exactly trying to avoid a civil war now that they’re in power.

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          Too bad Dems held no primary and foisted a genocidal dementia patient on us as the only alternative.

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            Too bad the progressives who had four years to get Bernie on the ballot fell asleep.

            I donated to Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

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              I also support Bernie, as he’s closest to actual representation for me. But I think you’re slightly mistaken here - progressives did support him and got him on the primary ballot in ‘16 and ‘20 elections, and both times as he was gaining momentum the establishment democrats colluded to steal the nomination from him.

              In 2016 it was Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with the superdelegate voting scheme in exchange for access to the Clinton Foundation coffers. And in 2020 it was the foolhardy betrayal and backstabbing by other “progressives” in the race in exchange for theoretical cabinet positions promised by Biden, almost none of which materialized. Both times, the corporate media smear campaign against Bernie was in full force, because to them anything which upsets the status quo threatens their profit margin, and the rich capitalists who own these multinational news networks consider that blasphemy.

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          Vote for what, the people that gave us trump, the people that denied a genocide of brown people was occuring, the people that welcomed war criminals with open arms? 50 years of liberals lesser evil gave us incremental fascism.

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            Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln even though Lincoln wasn’t running as an anti-slavery candidate

            Douglass was also very involved in national politics, and as the presidential election of 1860 approached, he advocated for candidates with strong antislavery platforms. American voters received a ballot crowded with four candidates: Abraham Lincoln (Republican), John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat), Stephen A. Douglas (Democrat), and John Bell (Constitutional Union). Douglas’s belief in “popular sovereignty,” Breckenridge’s pro-slavery platform, and Bell’s aversion to the issue entirely left Frederick Douglass to endorse Lincoln and the Republicans, whom he believed were more antislavery than the divided Democrats.

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        We have no idea what a peaceful protest of significant size can do. We’ve never seen one.

        We’ve seen peaceful protests, sure. And some not-so-peaceful ones. But non-violence is really difficult to manage and wield.

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          Peaceful Protests have their place. But it’s laughable that you really think that a protest with no threat of violence means anything at all to a fascist government

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          Are protests really about “doing” things though?

          A rabble or riot might storm a location like on Jan 6, but is that going to topple a government? Maybe in the middle ages where you could depose a king but since then I don’t think so.

          Civil Unrest, if maintained over weeks and months might achieve something. If the population is ungovernable I imagine that might motivate republicans to impeach but things would have to get real bad.

          Other than that a protest is really just a public statement of duress. It’s an appeal to all the people who usually dont pay any attention to politics et cetera.

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        She will 100%

        Why are people up voting random bullshit like this?

        There is not a 100% chance, and if there was, we wouldn’t know about it.

        Its almost always people who insisted no problems existed when Biden was in office though.

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          If you think trump won’t start deporting it’s political enemy ( starting by the more vocal of them ) and do a big show about it then you are living in a dreamland

          And where did i say Biden had no problem?

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            Isn’t that the ultimate goal and why we started sending people to El Salvador without due process?

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            If you think trump won’t start deporting it’s political enemy

            I do think that…

            But no one except trump knows that.

            Someone said they hoped she wouldn’t be, and you said:

            She will 100%

            Do you understand the problem with your statement?

            And where did i say Biden had no problem?

            I remarked:

            Its almost always

            I don’t think I’m going to be able to help you here if you legitimately don’t see any differences in what we’re saying

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              Do you think being this much of a pedant is helping anything? You could be posting actually productive comments instead of picking apart the smallest words of people you actually agree with anyway.

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                Do you think being this much of a pedant is helping anything?

                Yep.

                You could be posting actually productive comments

                Feel free to peruse my post history, but if you think anyone can only make one type of comments, I could ask you why you’re only making this type…

                Of course I never would, because that doesn’t follow any sort of logical reasoning.

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              Its almost always

              I don’t think I’m going to be able to help you here if you legitimately don’t see any differences in what we’re saying

              You think walking back on the conditionals is helping?

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      AOC should team up with Blue State governors to campaign solely in their states, with their protection. Trump WILL try to dispose of her, it is only a matter of time. Having a state’s National Guard to protect her from Dogey goons will be key to allowing AOC to continue working against the regime.

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        Oh if AOC is touched by that fucking scumbag will be the moment people riot. If not only the left but potentially some of the right who are fans of her as well, or at least fans of her energy (some have said they dont agree on policy but like how she really stands for working class families). I feel like as much as we cant really touch Trump (he would die a martyr for hard right nationalism) if the other side touches AOC the same thing happens but for the cause on the right side of history.

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    None of this is false is the thing. He’s literally a criminal. He literally gave out a massive stock tip before reversing direction on tariffs again…

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      There are also those 34 felony convictions. And the civil court finding that he raped a woman.

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        Yup. It still boggles my mind that none of that was enough to make Republicans think twice about voting for him.

        Now that he’s impacting them financially? Oh noes! I might not vote Republican again! 🙀

        But of course, it’s way too late now and we’ll be lucky if we even have another election at this point.

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          Well, they never heard that information. In many cases very literally. In other cases they “heard it” and dismissed it as “lying” of the “liberal media”.

          It’s a cult.

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      And TREASON! He is literally the most prolific traitor in American history. Not just that, but he is a worse traitor than ALL other American traitors COMBINED!

      Any discussion of his criminal activities should lead with the undeniable FACT that he is a Traitor.

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    Trump has spent longer at rallies spewing insults at his personal and political enemies. The difference is that she is angry and fired up about justice and genuine love of country. Oh, and everything she said is actually true.

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      It’s true but hollow. Dems are never going to have as strong a hand as they had in 2021, when Biden was taking office with an open hand and a liberal-friendly bureaucracy.

      The government that Trump leaves behind in his second term is going to be gutted and its institutions slaved to whatever technocracy Musk and Thiel can cobble together in the next four years. You’re not going to have a DOJ capable of prosecuting an ex-President or an FBI capable of investing one or a court willing to rule against one. And that’s assuming we still have an election system capable of replacing him or his party.

      AOC’s truths are too little and too late. She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.

      That’s the real difference between her and Trump. He spent eight years building a real active reactionary fascist movement. Meanwhile, I don’t see any AOC-Stans storming the capital in the next four years.

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        She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.

        She was. Turns out nothing you do matters if the entire media apparatus is conspiring with the other side.

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        OK doomer. There’s still a lot more of us than these crooks, and just one was necessary to scare them.

        “The Dems” is only a party label, which has and will mean something different to different times. The most difficult task ahead is re-earning governmental legitimacy and global trust, which can only happen if we fix everything in our system of government recently demonstrated to be dangerously outdated, broken, or useless. I’m fairly certain that’s the only way back. That scale of reform will require a public mandate and will leave no party label intact. AOC could lead that charge, and may not need to run as a democrat ever again. We may not even have a two-party system by the end of it.

        But getting anywhere requires first steps. The easiest way to not see reform is for those who would fight to give up hope. I know it’s easy to get discouraged in dark times. It is OK to feel discouraged, but spreading that despair among allies when it’s time to fight is not. That is selfish wallowing that only serves the enemy.

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        You don’t even know what you wish would happen. First you say there’s no way that the Democrats can recover, which ignores the obvious truth that perhaps they could, and also opens up the option that a legitimate party could possibly replace them. Second, you suggest that storming the capital is a good idea, but if that’s the case it doesn’t really matter what happens in the polls, because we’re already moving towards anarchy, right? Third, if you want to get together a group of people and storm the capital, I think you’re going to end up in the morgue very quickly. The cops up there do not like people like you, they will be happy to take down people like you.

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    Her and Bernie just had the largest political rally in Idaho since 08 Obama…

    The people don’t want trump

    But the people don’t want a shitbird neoliberals either.

    For the vast amount of Dem voters, there’s gonna be at least a 20 year gap between them being able to vote for something rather than just to stop a Republican.

    Luckily we finally kicked the “moderates” out of DNC leadership for this first time since Jimmy Carter, longer than most of us have been alive they’ve had control to the detriment of America.

    The reason mainstream media is finally ok with criticizing Dems. Is the neoliberals aren’t in control anymore. So now the billionaires want Dem voters to fight the DNC.

    Because billionaires no longer control the DNC

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      at least a 20 year gap between them being able to vote for something rather than just to stop a Republican.

      If they can’t do it twice in a row, what’s the chance of 5 in a row?