A family says their newborn son nearly bled to death and is fighting for his life after he was circumcised at a New York City hospital.
Tim and Gabrielle Groth said their son, Cole, underwent the circumcision at NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan, where he was born on March 31.
Stop mutilating your children.
Stupid fucking parents.
Why do they still perform such barbaric rites in the 21st century in the first place?
I mean look who’s sitting in the oval office. Science has progressed but most humans have not.
Yet theyre against mutilating genitals when it comes to trans people.
In parenting classes in my liberal area, the nurses will say “I’m required to tell you that circumcision has medical benefits”. Then they fume how it’s based off bad research and cut themselves short. “However it’s not like your son will be lined up for a nude photo. You can break the cycle of trauma”. I’m lucky to live here.
As a Jewish person im absolutely ashamed that my people still practice mutilation. When a tradition causes severe medical problems it should not continue.
It’s not even strictly a Jewish thing, as much as it is just an American thing at this point. My parents were only mildly Christian and got me circumcised at the recommendation of the doctor. They didn’t really think much about it because being circumcised is just “the norm”. My dad is circumcised, and my mom said she wanted to make sure I looked like my father (why she expected me to be catching so many glances of dad-dong in life, I’ll never know).
That said, whether or not it should be, a circumcision is still a very routine procedure, so it’s kinda astounding that they botched it so badly. Hopefully the kid makes it without any lasting damage.
It’s ironic because the whole reason I’m even here on lemmy is because I was permabanned from reddit for telling someone to crawl back in their hole because they were defending circumcision while claiming female genital mutilation was abhorrent. As if mutilating a penis is perfectly fine but don’t dare mutilate a vulva.
I know this isn’t the main topic here but it just reminds me that body shaming men is okay but body shaming women isn’t. Especially when it comes to sex organs.
Yeah, I love how everyone loves “big dick energy” and “small dick energy”, but if someone said “loose pussy energy” and “tight pussy energy” it’s practically a hate crime lol.
How about we just stop insulting anyone’s genitals instead?
I feel like your argument loses something by being stated backwards. It (and Hacksaws reply) comes off sounding like you are more angry at women than the patriarchy and want to be able to mutilate and body shame them. Rather than what I hope and assume is the case, that you want all genitals protected from mutilation and shaming.
I’m just bringing up the double standard. You’re correct in your assumption that I don’t want ANY genitals being mutilated.
But it’s not patriarchal that circumcision is normalized for aesthetical reasons. Women circumcise their sons because they don’t like uncut penises. I’ve NEVER heard a man say anything like that outside of not wanting their child to feel different because other boys are all circumcised. Women do it for aesthetics. Men do it because of a fear of being different. There’s a difference.
It shouldn’t be done at all but the idea that uncut penises look gross is inherently a woman thing.
I’ve never heard a woman say they did or would have their baby boy circumcised because uncircumcised penises are gross, or any other version of aesthetic reasons. The religious reasons are rooted in the patriarchy, as is the “need” to look like one’s father and male relatives.
In the case of female circumcision, it’s a way of enforcing the position of women as property, making it more apparent if she’s ever had sex so her virginity can be sold to her husband. In its most extreme forms it can require she be cut open in order to give birth, and resewn each time. It can block clumps of menstrual blood and lead to infection and sepsis. In less extreme versions it can prevent her from feeling any pleasure during sex, in order to prevent her from having any except that imposed by her husband.
Why do parents keep choosing to cut up the genitals of their baby boys?
Is it because the dad had his penis cut up for him, and therefore he must do it to his son because “nothing is wrong with his dick”?
In America at least most people don’t really consider it until the kid is born. Then in the post birth rush of things happening someone asks if you want to circumcise your kid. Most Dads will say “well I’m circumcised, so I guess” and his dad said “well I’m circumcised, so I guess” and his dad said “well I’m circumcised, so I guess” and his dad said “HE IS BORN OF SIN! We must circumcise him to discourage sinful behavior!”
Most people really don’t think too deeply about most things, try not to over think it
Don’t forget the people who think they have to do it because the sky daddy they invented told them to.
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It’s due to lack of education about not cutting it and indoctrination of what has been societal norms. It’s much less nefarious than you think on the part of many parents. Most people don’t generally think about this ahead of time and research it.
Genital mutilation should be 100% illegal instead of only applying to girls.
I agree with you fully but there’s a discrepancy that needs to addressed. Now, before you get the wrong idea, I’m NOT defending or excusing anybody here. The medical staff and the parents should be held responsible for nearly killing this newborn. Child genital mutilation of any kind should be banned.
Now, with that out the way, Male circumcision and female genital mutilation (or FGM, which is what I believe you’re referring to when you say ‘only applying to girls’) are not directly comparable. Male circumcision typically only removes the foreskin of the penis whereas FGM removes the both the clitoris and labia (I shudder while typing this out). It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.
Again, this sort of thing should be banned and no child should suffer from the decisions they had no say in.
I’m fine with adults mutilating their foreskin, but I want the decision left up to the individual. Having the parents do it when they are a baby leaves the individual with no choice
It would be like castrating the entire penis and testicles.
More like removing the glans and foreskin, but that doesn’t make it much better. There are definitely varying degrees of awfulness, but it’s all bad.
While there are some truly evil and horrific practices like removing the clitoris or sewing the vulva shut, some female genital mutation is “just” removing the clitoral hood, which is directly analagous to the foreskin.
Most people can agree that this practice is deeply wrong, and that it is still genital mutilation. And so I think categorizing male genital mutilation separately as “circumcision” is downplaying it.
I’ll just say it’s very clear you’ve never seen what a botched circumcision does to a penis. You also don’t seem to know the biology of the male genitals very well either if you think it’s “just skin”.
Why don’t we instead focus on “bodily autonomy”? No one should have unnecessary medical procedures done against their will and without their consent. It’s a pretty simple rule that applies to everyone and covers most of these issues simply.
My dude you LITERALLY just heard about a baby almost dying from a circumcision?? Which cis girl is born with the apparatus to undergo a circumcision. I’m waiting.
“instead of only applying to girls” you’re on some goofy shit, shitstirrer.
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Look in a mirror and try again dipshit.
How can someone be so confidently incorrect?
When you see a comment you disagree with, start by taking the time to research their claims.
Pretty sure in Egypt they still cut off the clitorises of preteen girls as tradition.
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I married a woman of jewish descent, she’s not religious in any way though. It was alarming, the amount of people coming up to us and asking us about our child’s dick. Why do people think it’s any of their business? Since they over stepped and asked, I gave them the full answer, complete with how idiotic it is and how anyone who still practices it is a backwards ass religious nut, and how all those other reasons like hygiene are bullshit myths.
Unless you’re some religious nut job, there is zero benefit and a lot of harm you can do by circumcising. So stop doing it.
EDIT: I was wrong, there is some medical reasons for the procedure later in life to address problems.
This is a general statement, and not factual. To say there is zero benefit (across the board): wrong. There are benefits, medically, for specific people with issues that warrant it. I had a later-in-life circumcision for medical problems, so I know. To say it is something you should do to a newborn: very wrong. This is something that has a fucked up history, and should only be done when needed (or wanted, I suppose) later in a person’s life… of their own choosing.
This has to be qualified more strongly. Most of the medical benefits of circumcision are apparent only after puberty. There is no medical reason to circumsize a baby.
I agree.
I’m sorry, I hadn’t considered that it might be done later to correct a problem. I honestly hope you weren’t offended.
No worries! I took no offense worth you not speaking your own mind… I just wanted to give my own thoughts on the matter.
These exchanges are why I love Lemmy.
Oh, fuck off, nerd.
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Circumcision is barbaric and backwards
Religion doesn’t get a free pass either. Superstition is no basis for mutilating babies
America is one of the only places in the world that still thinks this disgraceful practice is OK.
All because they followed the ideas of a nutter who made cornflakes…
Shit’s fucked
Any cosmetic body alteration should only be done according to the will of the body-haver.
Poor little guy is brand new to the world and just wants sleep, warmth and food. Instead he gets this 💔
At the will of the people who are supposed to be keeping him safe from harm…
Stop
molestingmutilating children would be my advice.*mutilating
Yes of course, edited.
Thanks.Its actually both with traditional Jewish circumcision.
Metzitzah B’peh (Direct Oral Suctioning)
When a baby is circumcised, some ritual Jewish circumcisers (mohelim) do a practice called metzitzah b’peh. Metzitzah b’peh is when the mohel uses their mouth to suck blood away from the baby’s circumcision wound as part of the circumcision ritual. After metzitzah b’peh, some babies can get an infection.
https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/safe-bris.page
Please be ChatGPT nonsense, please be ChatGPT nonsense. I’m not Googling that shit. :((((
Yes the Jewish one is even more disgusting, but this was in a hospital, I hope they don’t have such practices there. 🤮
As a Jewish person there are traditions and practices that are better abandoned
“Days after Cole’s birth, doctors placed a stent in him to address a known heart disease he was born with.”
I would wager that if the kid has heart disease and a stent, they likely put him on blood thinners as well. Source: Am on blood thinners following a stent.
How much do you want to bet the asshats who suggested circumcision were blissfully unaware of what happens when you cut someone who is on blood thinners?
The only reason a scalpel should be anywhere near a person’s genitals is to treat a serious health issue. Which includes dysphoria.
But hey, on the plus side, they helped cure him of… I mean prevented… I mean…
What again?
I’m sure someone will jump in and mention hygiene, like we haven’t invented fucking soap some 3000 years ago…
FYI, in those 3000 years time, we have found another use for soap besides sticking your dick in it!
That’s not what I… nevermind. Wording matters. :D
cut off usefull natural things without consent…win stupid prizes
It depends on the day for me whether increased sensitivity would be a good or bad thing for me. But that’s mental illness and the accompanying drugs for ya.
Being intact is also preventative for some stds, iirc, but I couldn’t find anything to support that
I looked into this claim a couple of years ago. I couldn’t find any well executed study that showed this. It’s mainly a talking point that people who argue for circumcision claim is true, but I couldn’t find any scientific support for this.
I was unclear. Circumcision predisposes you to STD transmission iirc, but I also couldn’t find anything.
Because its the opposite actually. Circumcision reduces risk, inclusive of STIs as well as UTIs. Its a significant, but partial, reduction in risk. This has only been shown with PiV sexual activity and not with PiA sexual activity, which could be an important factor.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8579597/
Adult circumcision works out well, including for a family member who did it in his 30s due to severe phimosis (which is also linked to penile carcinoma).
I think the only appropriate answer to circumcision is not at birth, only for a clear medical need until they are an adult, and at that point it’s their decision.
But I doubt you’ll find anything peer reviewed that suggests an increase in STIs after circumcision, I’ve only ever seen the opposite, and I did a lot of reading on it before my son was born.
This is the correct way of looking at it. At birth should not be the time to do this… it should be done later in life, by the person’s own choosing.
Largely beneficial for UTIs, which is the leading infection in young boys. UTIs in young children are often hard to diagnose before spreading to the kidneys
Then later in life when getting too old to wash yourself the benefit returns again
“It depends on the day whether more pleasure would be a good or bad thing for me”
That’s a more precise version of your statement, I think.
Im Not sure if sensitivity always equals pleasure
Which is why I think sensitivity is the wrong word.
But he’s talking about sensitivity not pleasure?
Regardless, I’m circumcised, and if I was more sensitive in most situations, I wouldn’t last long enough for my wife’s toy to push her over the edge (I can get her off without it, but I’m too big and she’ll be sore for a week.
Like, my prozac can be performance enhancing.
The subset that wants it removed could still get that done later, right? Those who don’t aren’t given the option. Putting it back is a bit more difficult.
