Summary
A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn’t have to follow the judge’s oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn’t in writing.
Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing “national security concerns.”
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
Did he suffer any serious consequences, No, then why the fuck wouldn’t he disregard it and will continue to do so in the future. Why are people in power in this country either evil and inept or simply inept against the evil ones
Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.
Wouldn’t Trump just pardon them?
Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump’s time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.
It literally takes trump 20 seconds to tell an aid to start paperwork for a pardon.
After 8 years of watching the legal system completely and utterly fumble any semblance of justice against Trump, it is bizarre to see you hail legal action as the ultimate method of dismantling the Trump regime. Big “I think Mueller is still going to bring Trump down!” energy.
Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.
Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.
Did anyone say it was the only method on the table?
Nowhere did I say that was the “ultimate method.” Every single thing the orange asshole tries to do should be obstructed and interfered with in every way possible.
Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump’s time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.
This would be at best a minor inconvenience that Trump would just sign with the auto-pen that he’s going after Biden for using.
And we’ve seen literally dozens of Trump’s high-profile lawyers watch their careers end in disgrace once Trump no longer has a use for them. And for every one that crashes and burns, there seems to be two more willing to take his place. Especially now that Trump is immune from prosecution, making it much less risky for them.
The point isn’t really to inconvenience him though. It’s to cede no ground without documented abuse of power.
Absolutely. Make them show outright that they are using authoritarian tactics. Make it known to all that they’re fascists and that they don’t care about democratic principles or the rule of law.
Make every Trump voters uncomfortable and understand they voted to end this democratic republic.
Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.
Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them
What about all the hardcore criminals he sent out, should we bring them all back and release them?
Of course not. The normal justice system applies; assuming they are legitimately suspected of a crime, they are held until they can be given a fair trial and their fate determined by just means. That’s how the system works to punish the guilty and exonerate the innocent. Your assumption that these are all “hardcore criminals” is a media product; how has this been determined? It has not. The only just way to determine it is with a trial.
And even if found guilty and justly imprisoned after due process, that doesn’t mean they can legally be deported. If they’re legally in the country then they’re legally in the country
A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer
If this is the only consequence of having done it- I’d say they didn’t think they could, they knew they could.
Note Rubio saying they aren’t going to stop, when explicitly told to by a judge. That’s called sedition last I knew.
And if there’s no one willing to stop them, it may as well be legal.
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
Written orders probably won’t carry any weight either since he probably can’t read even if he attempted to.
☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box
They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!
How do they do that? Their enforcers work for Trump.
Wahoo it’s-a me Luigi
Show cause why I shouldn’t throw your ass in the klink. That’s what happens to the rest of us if we ignore a court order.
He can’t be charged with a crime while in office or for anything he does in office. So, that’s why.
so arrest everyone in the department that did it. EVERYONE. secretary of [thing], and everyone who might have so much as seen the command moving down the chain.
that’s what a law that wasn’t just an excuse to punish poor people would do.
or just fucking arrest him anyway, fuck it, if laws don’t mean things, laws don’t mean things. that includes his special protection.
but again, that would require the point of the law to be something other than punishing the poor.
I don’t disagree with you, but I think we both know how this will play out. Get ready to hide in the attic.
yeah. fuck my life. taking bets on how long I last before they kill me. ill have betting tables up in the morning.
Hmmm… what color are you? Could be a matter of months… (hopefully not)
I think I count as ‘swarthy’ and white depending on the century.
but also I’m visibly queer and very loud about lefty politics.
Hmm. Do you live in a blue state? I hope so. You might be able to blend. Can you—is this the fucking 90s?—“butch up” for the gestapo long enough to slip away? I’m having flashbacks of the Midwest.
For me, I’m a man married to a man. I’m on a list. I’m somewhat nervous about that, but I’m white like milk an own a lot of polos and chinos, so I will have some warning before the shit hits me. Fingers crossed.
He shouldn’t be letting those attorneys leave the courtroom free men. Hold them in contempt and issue bench warrants for administration officials and anyone carrying out these illegal orders.
This is the only correct response, any other response means that the federal government does not in practice have checks and balances
It also forces Trump’s hand. Either publicly reveal, right now that he is an all-out dictator instead of slow-rolling it, or fold and lose any momentum he has.
If a violent revolution is needed to take him down, the sooner everyone knows about it, the better.
Yeah, slow nibbling at fascism is how the world got Hitler. Out the despot now.
So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?
Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.
Sounds like a “well-ordered militia” is called for.
Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸
Oh brother… here we go again…
‘You felt you could disregard it?’
Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it’s safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were not only completely ignored, but were also being openly mocked on Twitter by Marco Rubio, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it’s safe to say that they were right.
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
He’s about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can’t even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there’s fuck-all this judge can do about it.
This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.
Oh brother…
It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say “wait, don’t do that!” and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President.
Since when is a judge’s verbal order not legally binding?
It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say “wait, don’t do that!” and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President
You do realize this happens all the time, right? Death row inmates can be granted clemency literally while they’re strapped to the gurney. It’s literally a case of the judge, governor, POTUS, whoever saying “WAIT, DON’T DO THAT!”. And yes, this includes the judge verbally giving instructions and holding off the proceedings until a written order can be drafted.
There was nothing stopping them from turning that plane around.
The whole point of judiciary is to resolve damages and it’s actually really important that they can issue orders quickly to prevent “irreversible damages”, courts use injunctions all the time even before coming to any kind of decision in order to give time for due process to happen. Especially when there is possibility of harm coming to an individual.
Like at what point does everyone else in the government finally say “ok we have to treat them as treasonous” this is a madhouse full of complacent fools.
At this point I don’t see the politicians being the people to save us. Honestly don’t know what the military would do either. They’d probably fight internally until the MAGA component wins or gets squashed.
So much can change so quickly. That’s usually how the big changes go, especially when they are unfavorable.
Save you from what? Is your life ruined? Are we all losing our rights in the US? Are we all being deported? How bad is your life right now, that you need “saving?”
way more than about Trump
legal precedents that uphold other legal precedents are being dismantled like they already were being done away with before Trump
more precedents that go away the more personal freedoms and civil liberties goes away
need a revolution
Oh brother… how horrible is your life? `
I’m just shocked that so many of you are okay with a judge deciding that all those criminals should remain in the US…I mean, this is why ya’ll lost the elections…
How do you know for sure that they’re criminals, just because they’re not American? None of them have even been charged with anything. Innocent until proven guilty.
You should be more concerned about the convicted rapist with 34 felonies who is currently in the oval office. Also quit being a racist piece of shit.
You are really that gullible, huh?
As opposed to the Left? Because they’re not gullible at all, right? LOL
Imagine that, judges decided on criminals’ fate. Next they will want to decide who is even a criminal.
Oh brother… leave up to Liberals to want hardcore rapists and murderers to stay in the US… they’re only doing this because it’s Trump… and we both know it.
I ain’t your brother, what I do know is that right wingers hate foreigners, the alleged crimes being just an excuse.
Okay, bruh.
