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I purchased a gun before Trump took office and have been practicing at the range, as well as encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Arm yourself and prepare, this only ends one way.
Destroy the country to “own the libs”. What a world and they wanted this so they can make memes instead of trying to do anything.
Maybe Elrond should have voted against the ring.
“Liberals will win majority of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, CNN projects”
The one on the right should be “Edgelord leftists posting on Lemmy”
I mean I’m not gonna deny that some like Schumer have been totally useless. But over the last few months “liberals doing nothing” has included halving Tesla’s stock price and winning the Supreme Court in a state that went Trump. In prediction markets future races are looking bad for Republicans. Don’t like what democrats are doing? Great, go run or support a candidate you do like. Or better yet, run as a Republican and do a hostile takeover of that party so you can challenge democrats from the left in the general too. There’s enough anger at Republicans now that it could actually work, especially in safe blue districts.
They sat out the election so they could do this instead.
None of these things are lib achievements.
Libs are the ones who were holding tesla stock. Libs were buying teslas. It is absolutely is a lib achievement
They’re burning their own cars?
A Tesla is a shit car, it can not compete without protectionism and would lose hard against superior Chinese cars anyway without massive protectionism.
Tesla stocks isn’t even at its lowest point.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/stock-price-historyEven if it was, what would it have ‘achieved’? It won’t even hurt Musk personally.
As if he would care about a few billion less.
He has other companies and many gov defense contracts to help terrorise the world. Plenty of them made under your great lib gov.
I guess he was still OK when he demanded to keep his factories open in peak covid times or when he did plenty of other horrible things?Ewan has been on television crying about Tesla stock every six hours for the past two weeks.
They are using the full force of the United States government to protect Tesla dealerships.
is obviously not doing OK with this. His creditors on Twitter just made him combine it with his AI company so he’s basically losing that to the bank too.
we’re off to a great start. And it’s just getting started.
LOL, but I guess it’s what to expect coming from someone calling AOC a “total lefty”
June 2018 was a long time ago now. She came across pretty far to the left. When considering the sliding American center going right, she remains far to the left of the American political spectrum.
Can you identify 5-10 congresspeople futher to the left of AOC?
congresspeople
See, that’s a specific group.
And what you call ‘to the left of them’ is simply and objectively ‘less right’
This guy I know who doesn’t vote republican said Warren, Bernie and AOC are extreme.
That is al relative OC when what you get is a few centre and the majority right to ultra-right.
What is the healthy choice between Fanta or Coke?
I think its okay to own your place on the political compass. Some reason the far left and far right always imagine they are the center and thats how we get extremism and unpopular policies! Look around you, 330M americans. Lots of opinions. Where do your opinions land if we lined them all up between left and right. Nothing wrong with being a lefty. All opinions matter, not all should be forced on people.
Look around you, 330M americans.
I’m not American so my Overton window is what it should be, unlike the unhealthy US landscape.
And even on mine I am pretty far left.Nothing wrong with being a lefty
Certainly not, but you should at least know to rate them accurately.
Larping as left like AOC or Bernie doesn’t cut it.
My Tesla shorts are making my portfolio great again, I need more of Elons money.
Dems biggest problem has never been results. They have done that. Time and time again. Fix the economy. Solve unemployment. Shot the steal. Whatever it is. They have actually done it each time.
But i have never seen a group that has been so mindblowingly incompetent at messaging.
Take some fucking credit you dipshits!
Seriously. Biden did almost everything we asked him to do. But the party never took credit or bragged about it enough. So much so that despite accomplishing the status quo, he still came across as a loser and lost the election for his incumbent.
They did what we asked. But we were too timid or pc to take the fucking credit! we lost because of some semblance of decorum or some other nonsense.
Brag about it you pussy ass bitches!
Part of the messaging problem is our lefties who complain that nothing is lefty enough
If a handful of online “lefties” can undo Democrats’ billion dollars of advertising, then that sounds like you’re agreeing that Dems are mind-blowingly incompetent at messaging.
If Dems can’t win until everyone matches in lockstep with no disagreement then either Dems need to fall in line with their base, or get ready for a third Trump term.
P.S. Democrats are a centrist party (at best). It shouldn’t be surprising that Leftists don’t consider them left enough. Why does the existence of Leftists anger moderates so much?
I agree with you. and power to the people we should be able to express our will over that of some rich guy.
I also agree that Democrats are eccentric party and we do not treat the far left very well. I just consider you to weigh the impact of your vote in the future.
I really don’t want to have to go defend Canada for my own country next time if I could. I’m sure you have other wants to.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again … a large portion of the current democratic party is rich. The DNC serves corporations not the people. They are controlled opposition. They will keep the status quo as long as they get to continue living their cushy lifestyle. The whole system is corrupt and that includes the DNC, they won’t be saving us.
The entire point of a government is controlled opposition. That’s the fucking point. It’s not some grand revelation. Change from within the system takes a lot of time and constant effort, but it is better than the alternative which takes blood and massive suffering.
The problem is the system has been around for a long time and what we’ve seen is a huge wealth transfer that has made the rich richer and is currently eroding the middle class.
“As of 2023, the top 1% of households in the U.S. hold approximately 32% of the total wealth. In contrast, the bottom 90% of households collectively hold about 22% of the total wealth.”
We’ve now reached the point of late stage capitalism/oligarchy and if the system doesn’t change the wealth disparity will continue to grow.
There is already massive suffering. homelessness is spiraling out of control and a huge amount of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck barely surviving.
So I’d argue the alternative is starting to look quite attractive.
The wealth disparity hasn’t been this high since just before the Great Depression where 34% of disposable income went to the richest 5% (not an apples to apples comparison but the closest I could find).
One of the major causes of the depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act which imposed high tariffs on imported goods. Oh hey, look at those shiny new tariffs from Trump.
Another major factor was the Dust Bowl which was a widespread drought that dramatically impacted agriculture. Meanwhile 50% of the continental US has faced drought conditions since 2000.
The Stock Market Crash of 1929 was in large part due to overproduction of goods with people not having enough money to buy them. Look at all the companies throwing stock in the trash. Food, clothes, essentials all wasted while there are people who go without.
During the Depression, unemployment peaked at about 25%. (We are at 4.1% now.) Even during the height of COVID with factories and businesses shutting down, unemployment was only at 14.7%. That is the kind of suffering it takes for change and that is where our failures to learn from history are leading us.
The problem for the bottom 90% is the perception. If you present them with a group of people who are advertised as even less valuable like immigrants, gay, black, muslim, etc they will never perceive themselves as the bottom of the barrel disposable pieces of meat. There will always be someone who will be more worthless and less human, so they will have a false sence of value.
I agree. The only solution would be for different groups of humans to understand we’re all in this together and unify under a common goal. Which is what the elites do not want.
I’ve noticed the financially conservative bias of a certain minority of the Democrats, which I think you could term “corruption”. I’d say even a lot of them would prefer Americans at least be able to get by on a living wage; hence why blue states have a higher minimum.
I could be missing information you’ve found past me, but what statistics have helped you conclude a “large portion” of them are rich / serving corporations?
Why do you think Democrats helped to pass Trump’s budget?
The "statistics"are the number of Democratic millionaires serving in Congress and the amount of money corporate donors spend to get them elected.
About ten Democrats participated in that. I have their names written down close to my workstation and do not plan to support them. But that’s still a minority of the party, as I expressed in my post.
It’s also very possible some of those senators had less concern for the financial sector or market crash, and more concern for the possibility of shutting down the courts amid so many illegal executive orders. It’s not a great excuse, but it’s also not a self serving one.
As for millionaires: Due to inflation, the metric has shifted a bit. Some people that I directly know, that are smart and empathetic people that do what they can to help the community, are millionaires in terms of net worth. Simply owning a home in my state often puts someone in that scope. Cory Booker is est. worth $15M.
Call it a cop-out but that’s why the targeting is now on billionaires. Many millionaires know that they have more money than their basic needs, and want to make that path to success possible for others. The same likely cannot be said for very many billionaires.
Yeah you’re just missing on the part where nothing is ever fucking good enough for anyone. And we don’t believe in incremental change. Everything should’ve been perfect when we were born and it’s really upsetting that it’s not perfect yet.
At least we never went socialist.
That will provide me a lot of comfort when the Fascists brutally murder me and my family for our dissent. At least they weren’t filthy socialists that tried to feed, cloth, or house anyone without condition. What a nightmare hellscape that would have been.
I’m sensing insincerity in this statement.
Just a slight tingle, really.
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It’s interesting how when the Democrats are in power they struggle to get legislation across the line, get “outraged” when Republicans stymie their efforts, and eventually agree to cut bills down to the point where they’re achieving a fraction of what they were supposed to.
But when Republicans are in power, Dems seem incapable of putting up any resistance and cry to their voters that if only they just had a few more donation dollars they’d be able to defeat fascism and then turn around and let the Republicans pass whatever awful legislation they want.
That was one of the reasons I was excited that Walz was on the ticket. The democrats in MN passed a lot of progressive legislation with a 1 seat majority.
Nailed it. That’s the scheme. Provides plausible deniability, while keeping half of the electorate from seeking options that would hurt the corporate bottom line.
Controlled ops, and Dem leaders are Republicans
I cussed out one of those donation seeker calls. I feel bad about it. It was one of the worst rants I think I’ve ever done. They used my number from the 2020 election to call and ask for money in 2025. Furious.
It only takes a few corrupt Democrats to turn a plain majority into a stalemate.
Their opposition is purely performative.
It’s a bit more than performative. It’s pacifying. It manages to convince a lot of people that it does everything in its power so said people shouldn’t feel like there’s anything else to be done but vote again next time.
Ranked choice voting would help big time. But neither party will ever allow it.
Ranked choice voting already exists in several local and state races, most recently DC. It’s mostly blue states, because Democrats tend to allow it. Several Republican states have legislation banning it statewide, but such laws are entirely absent in blue states.
Both sides the same!!! Except no one changes my voting district, because one to many black people moved in!
Imagine living in a balanced voting district that hasn’t changed in years. Where ideas change the outcome, not a congress and a judge distorting public power.
Anyway both sides bad and nothing weird about southern states and their voting districts.
They only have one party
Correct on both counts.
when Republicans are in power
That’s when Bernie starts making a hell of a noise and proposing the most progressive bills he knows will never make it.
You would have to be really stupid to fall for this, and there’s a saying for it too but when even one of their presidents can’t even recite that you know they are a lost cause.
So all the judges stopping his bullshit from passing is nothing? Along with the judges that overturn his bullshit, that’s nothing also? And Corey Booker’s 19 hour long (and counting) filibuster is nothing? What about all the people that actually VOTED to try and stop this from happening in the first place? Or the people that fucking warned you this would happen.
Nothing?
You all seem to have an odd definition of “doing nothing” that’s for sure. Maybe if you all… did nothing instead of staying home during an election we’d be in a much better place.
I voted in each primary, midterm, ballot and election - every chance I got. I was also one of the many who was warning that a shuffling corpse was a terrible candidate, that Harris wasn’t doing enough to differentiate from Biden in a meaningful way, and that constantly arming Israel’s genocide with our money was going to cost voter enthusiasm, swing states, and likely the election.
And here we are, still blaming voters. While Schumer folds on the CR or Jeffries refuses to whip votes - Pelosi at least ran a tight ship and wielded the House gavel. The Democratic leadership is waffling and waiting out for the midterms, where they’re hoping enough people are pissed off to flip the House/Senate. They’re willing to wait two years to act. Two years of deportations, two years of norms destroyed, two years of institutions gutted, allies snubbed, economic self-injury.
Can you wait two years on a political gamble? Can the country? When are we going to hold our political leadership to the fire and demand action?
These are the words I’ve heard from anyone paying attention.
Also thank you for your work from this canuck.
The mechanisms that politicians have available to them are to use their voice to convince Republicans, to filibuster, to file lawsuits, and to gather votes for midterms. They’re doing all of that.
Any other kinds of actions require a massive majority of everyday Americans, not just a slim 51%; and certainly nothing a Senator or rep could magically do.
I said leadership, because yes the individual politicians do not have the ability to whip votes in Congress or create a cross-party platform. That Jeffries’, Schumer’s, and the DNC’s job. That’s who I’m mad at for refusing to recognize the new meta that Trump has tapped into - populist messaging.
People have been failed by late stage capitalism, and are mad about seeing their children have fewer chances in life and less hope, or that the lifestyle their parents were able to achieve is now a fantasy for many. They may not recognize the why, but they are pissed about it. Trump peddles easy to consume lies that offer no real solution to the problem, call him out and provide a real alternative, not more milquetoast centrism subservient to Wall Street. Voters want change and a new social contract. Become the party they want to vote for, instead of crafting districts to meet the DNC’s stance.
Amen. At least half the voting public did something—showed up, voted, protested, filibustered, and fought every step of the way. Democrats and countless others have been in the trenches, blocking, delaying, and overturning what they can.
This meme? It does nothing. No encouragement. No solution. Just cynicism and blame. Maybe OP should take a long look in the mirror before calling everyone else out.
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Whenever I see posts like this, my question is: What constitutes “something?”
Democrats vote against all the Republican bills.
Cory Booker is filibustering a bunch of judicial appointments.
They’re banging the drum about how horrible everything Trump is doing is.
They support the suits and the protests.
What do you want? It seems like people just want to complain about the Democrats regardless of the realities of the situation.
1- If Democrats had voted against all Republican bills, we’d be in a shutdown right now.
2- Booker’s filibuster is good. There were also many, many options available to Democrats early in the confirmation process that they chose not to take. For example, if they demanded unanimous consent on every procedure, a roll call roll vote would be required to move anything forward. They could file deleterious motions constantly to slow everything down. McConnell successfully used these tactics just a few months ago to force Schumer cut a deal on judicial appointments at the end of the last Congress.
3- The suits are being brought by Democratic Attorneys General, who have been killing it. They remember how dangerous Trump was and prepared accordingly. The national Democrats, however, clearly had no plan other than, “Kamala will win,” and didn’t adapt at all in the months between the election and the inauguration.
Chuck Schumer is the poster boy for this shortsightedness. The only possible explanation for his actions on the budget bill is that he assumed at least a few House Republicans would defect and the bill wouldn’t reach the Senate. When that didn’t happen, he had to suddenly decided between funding the government, which would a terrible move since (aside from being an awful bill) every House Democrat had just stuck their neck out to try to shoot it down, or defunding the government, which had its own risks, but it’s own benefits as well. Not only did he make the wrong choice, but he made it so abruptly he threw his entire party into chaos.
4- All of this is indicative of a party that is working from an out of date playbook that is hopeless obsolete in the face of fascism. Schumer and James Carvil started the term by telling Democrats to lay low and wait for Trump to screw up. Jefferies was advocating for bipartisanship for the fiest two months of the administration. The general consensus is that the legislative branch is completely helpless, and they simply need to wait for the courts to save us.
None of this will work. The Trump administration’s fuck-ups don’t matter if they’re not planning on holding free and fair elections. Bipartisanship has been dead for almost 20 years. Court rulings won’t save us; Trump is already defying court orders, and the Supreme Court has been pack with regime loyalists. Some Senators, like Booker, seem to be waking up to these realities, but the entire Democratic party needs to be looking to every single opportunity to slow and obstruct the Trump regime, and the leadership is not doing that.
Defeating the Trump administration will require widespread public mobilization and and an opposition party that’s ready to play hardball. The Democratiic leadership seems to content with only doing the first half, and fundraising in lieu of opposition. That’s going to get us all killed.
Democrats vote against all the Republican bills
If this were even true (what was Schumer in hot water over again?), what the fuck does ‘voting against republican bills’ do when the black-shirts are already rounding up immigrants?
Democrats can’t run around screaming about the end of democracy for 8 years and then wax romantic about the need for ‘bipartisanship’ when they’re starting to line people up against the wall.
I remember Kamala and Mike Johnson being all smiles on Inauguration Day.
Okay then, I repeat: what should they be doing?
Well they sure as fuck shouldn’t be capitulating to the fascists
I would expect that someone who really thinks we’re at the end of democracy would be (at the very least) breaking decorum to derail the fascism machine before it picks up steam, not censuring their own colleagues for loudly defending what they all presumably believe in.
“What else could they possibly be doing?!” they cry, as ICE agents are pushing legal permanent residents into black vans and flying them to a prison in El Salvador for exercising their 1st amendment rights.
As incredibly frustrated as I am by ICE, when they’re operating with the efficiency and speed of burglars, even politicians can’t stop them. Judges have slowed them down - preventing deportation to outside prisons and requiring lawyer visitation.
I do believe that raising voices about the abductions, and making sure as many people as possible see the fear in the video from Rumeysa as she’s taken, makes a difference in broad opinion and that’s critical.
I have no forgiveness for the votes to censure Greene. For what it matters, it didn’t do much to him. On the CR; I can formulate a very long argument why allowing it through was a reasonable decision made in a no-win situation, not a capitulation. To be fair, I could MAKE the argument - not agree with it. That comment about judges and courts was a huge part of it.
I’d have more respect for your argument if you had something constructive to suggest, rather than simply asserting what you stand against. Destroying is much easier than building.
I’d have more respect for your argument if you had something constructive to suggest, rather than simply asserting what you stand against.
I’ve made several.
The truth is that the Democrats have plenty of options in at least slowing down the rapid growth, but dismiss them out-of-hand simply because they break decorum. Booker just did a 25 hour filibuster (which is awesome), but he wasn’t even filibustering a bill. Democrats only seem to want to break decorum when the stakes are low enough not to piss off republican lawmakers, and that’s a huge problem when those lawmakers DGAF about democrat reactions and break the law anyway.
This is the time to be raising the alarm and making noise (remember when libs were whining that 16 months before an election was ‘not the time’ to be protesting democrats?). I don’t care about the occasional good thing the dems do in opposition to fascism, I care about all the things they’re not doing. They’re still acting as if there will still be elections, even though they spent the last 2 years screaming that there won’t be any more if trump wins.
At some point they have to start behaving like they actually believe what they’ve been trying to convince the rest of us of.
So, ten Democrats in the House constitutes the WHOLE PARTY doing nothing?
And you still aren’t making any actual proposals for what they should be doing.
you still aren’t making any actual proposals for what they should be doing
Because what you’re looking for is some kind of policy proposal or voting strategy to stop a fascist movement, and I’m telling you that we’re beyond that.
Democrats should be physically impeding the dismantling of our institutions - that means disrupting the normal proceedings of congress and the legislature in order to raise the alarm, or at the very least not punishing the members of the party who are, and not breaking the line to side with the republicans when it actually matters (Schumer is the fucking minority leader, not some random spoiler).
When the strategy of the minority leader of the senate is to cooperate with the republicans in tearing apart the government in the hopes that voters blame them for a dip in the stock market 2 years from now and vote them out, it tells their constituents that they don’t really believe we’re witnessing the end of democracy. One of the top 2028 presidential contenders welcomed a white nationalist onto his podcast to talk about the ‘real concerns’ with transgender participation in sports. The DNC chair is out in public soliciting donations from “the good billionaires” while the base is setting records rallying against oligarchy.
The democratic party would rather collaborate with the reactionaries in the conservative party than recon with the growing populism in their own base, and that’s the entire-fucking point.
Yes, when the entire party of over 150 fails to represent the people who elected them because of 10 traitors then that counts as a L for the whole party.
They need to stop letting Republicans into the Democratic party if they want cohesion.
That doesn’t even make sense. Those ten went with the majority. What was there for the one hundred forty to do?
So why have a democratic party if they are randomly going to break ranks to enable fascism.
Literally any time a bill comes along that will make regular people’s lives worse for the rich to benefit conveniently there’s always enough dem traitors to get it passed.
I KNOW! Why don’t they hold up stupid little signs? That’ll help!
Still not saying what you want Democrats to do.
I’m not the person you were talking with, I’m someone random passing through the thread. I’m just so fucking sick of the republicans being the “make shit worse party” and the democrats being the “do nothing” party and never having fucking anything improve. I’m so fucking sick of voting for people who aren’t going to help people. I’m sick of nothing being done. And, what I’m REALLY REALLY FUCKING SICK OF IS PEOPLE DEFENDING THEM DOING NOTHING TO HELP. I’m not a fucking politician, I’m a regular dickwad on the internet like anyone else, I don’t know what fucking specific actions they should be taking, I don’t know how to improve things, THAT’S WHAT WE FUCKING HAVE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES FOR.
What makes it fucking worse. I donated to bernie in 2016. Since then, my contact info has been spread like an STD and I get all these fucking fundraising emails, texts, and calls, from these fucking democrat assholes. “Give me money so I can fix things :)” Like my FUCKING god we had a democrat president, and majority in the senate and house and still nothing was fucking done to improve things. For the love of GOD stop begging me for money so you can sit on your goddamn asses and do nothing.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to blow up at you, I hope you can understand my fucking frustration.
I did, however.
How in the flying fuck are you defending this bullshit adherence to fascism? Please it is beyond pathetic.
Who needs enemy’s with friends like those 10…
Let me try it this way.
If those 10 can undo the actions of the rest, did they really do anything?
Exactly.
- Replace Schumer and Jeffries as congressional leaders, and make it publicly known it’s because of capitulation to fascism.
- Filibuster every fucking thing. Zero legislative victories, no matter how minor.
- Dredge up every scandal against every Republican, go on every podcast and every news show and put them on blast. Make sure there are a personal and professional consequences for supporting fascism.
They are not powerless. They just have to fight dirty, which they should damn well be willing to do after watching the government get plundered for the last three months.
Yes, all of these.
But I don’t think they are unaware of these methods or unwilling to play dirty. I think that’s just a cover. I’m convinced they simply don’t want to do any of that because on the whole, their donors are either okay with the fascist agenda and/or believe they can get back in power by default because of Trump’s fuckups. Thereby going back to business as usual without promising any significant concessions to their voters. E.g. none of that Medicare for all shit. After two years of the fascists people would be happy to lap up anything that looks even remotely better. See how happy Booker’s performance made people. It’s something and people will take it over nothing.
Filibuster what, exactly? Trump is doing all of this damage with executive orders.
He’s making wild power grabs by EO because they’re not being challenged - outside some judges blocking the most egregious overreaches.
Congress has the lion’s share of the government power - the purse string - if they choose to use it. Nothing moves or happens without money in America.
It’s even worse than that. Democrats forced a 15-day vote against Trump’s emergency executive order. The Republicans in Congress redefined the entire congressional calendar as a single day, just to avoid holding the vote. Every last Republican in Congress is complicit.
Source? I can’t find anything linking the legislative schedule to a snap change, just dry press releases of ‘here’s the planned calendar’ and official announcements.
On average, between 4,000 and 5,000 bills are considered in Congress every session.
Democrats should filibuster every one that makes it to the floor until Trump is out of office. Zero wins.
True, but Republicans haven’t brought a bill for a Senate vote this term as far as I’m aware. Have you seen a bill vote yet?
7 bills have passed the Senate, one has been signed into law: Congress.gov search
(note: the filter doesn’t include bills starting in the House, but there aren’t any relevant ones)
Also, the “Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2025” and “Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act” were “filibustered” (failed to reach cloture).
Nope, but I have seen the Democrats hand away their leverage and capitulate to fascists.
Hence point #1.
I would have liked them to push on how Trump and a bunch of other republicans are not eligible for office because of the insurrection. Go for blood. Refuse to acknowledge that that these people hold office.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
They did. There were campaign ads with footage from Jan 6th. They repeatedly called Trump a traitor on the campaign trail.
You clearly didn’t watch any of it, so did you just presume they never brought it up.
Not “supported” in the past tense. What should they be doing now?
Calling him a traitor on the campaign trail isn’t the same as actually enforcing the law, at gunpoint if need be. Laws don’t matter if they’re not enforced. They should be physically removing the republicans from office.
The Supreme Court said they couldn’t.
Let them enforce their decision, then.
Look, I don’t really want a civil war or constitutional crisis, but under no circumstances should we have let the republicans proceed as they have.
I want a democratic party that is as fully willing to ratfuck and obstruct all conservative efforts as the republicans have been for decades.
I want them to stop attempting to “reach across the aisle” to an enemy faction that would never be willing to do the same.
I want them to vote 100% against every single human garbage dump nominee that Trump puts in front of them.
I want them to have state police ready to clap the cuffs on Elon Musk as soon as her enters a state where he has broken the law.
I want them to stop playing defense and to start attacking for once, and I want them to do this as a unified front.
I want representatives that are willing to pull some South Korean shit and kick down doors on unelected DOGE stooges flinging shit inside our vital institutions.
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yeah!
just like that time Chucky boy colluded with other dinos and handed republicans the best hand we had at striking back at the administration.
wait…
So, ten of forty-seven Democratic caucus members vote with Republicans on one bill and it constitutes the whole of the Democratic Party not doing anything, ever?
of 10 of the 47 can fuck us over without even a whimper from the other 37 they’re all rotten.
Have you not been hearing about the calls for Schumer to resign? About the mounting support for primary efforts?
I’ve heard. too little, too late. my trust in them is completely broken.
there’s like three of them that I could trust again, the rest are worse than maga republicans.
at least I can trust a magat to work against me. I can’t even trust democrats to work for me, so what good are they?
Hmmmm. One party will deport me for Tweeting about how much I hate Elon Musk.
The other is not doing things I refuse to specify and probably cannot actually identify to stop them from doing that.
These two options are the same.
if you see the world in such black and white terms you’re a part of the problem.
THIS is what a politician fighting to stop fascism looks like.
Not a press conference, not ‘barricading’ the door before meekly letting the DOGE lakeys in after they call the DC police, not Chuck fucking Schumer folding to Trump’s budget demands after the House stood tall and members in D+1 districts risked their position.
It’s still politics as usual for most of the leadership. Not ‘the fight to save our democracy’ like they campaigned and fundraised on.
Every single one of us fantasizes about stepping in front of a gun to save an innocent person. I even wanted to do that when I heard about an illegal ICE deportation less than 30 miles from me.
But fascist actors like DOGE sweep in like burglars, and run before you know they’re there. They remove livelihoods by E-mail. There’s nothing to stand in front of.
The Korean politicians literally put their lives on the line, and called the coup’s bluff by doing so. Posting on Twitter ‘man, Congress outta do something about that Doge’ when he is a Congressional leader while kicking the issue to the courts to ‘work it out’ is political theatre. Stand up, or step off Chuck.
If lawmakers don’t challenge DOGE, by passing new laws or going to court, they risk losing the powers Congress has held for two and a half centuries. Driesen and other legal experts said judges might consider the lack of congressional opposition as they decide cases on this question.
This is it. These kids never get off the memes long enough to watch house committees live every day. There’s like 40 cases being help up by non partisan federal judges.
This is the comprise to not burning down the country and demanding heads, in a civilized country we battle with armies lawyers instead of cannon fodder.
That’s all plan b. Same as it ever was.
By “something” people mean accountability and punishments, physically restricting the people responsible so they can cause no further harm.
Instead they walk free and are allowed to keep breaking our society
The next step youre alluding to is going to be in history books for the next 300 years. Better not miss.
Our inaction on climate change will be felt for a lot longer than centuries. We’ve already missed, it’s just a question of how badly.
Nobody in 300 years is going to think we revolted too soon or care if we did it wrong.
48 and counting. They like to point out how Trump doesn’t listen, but he’s only defying injunctions. That’s at most a contempt of court charge. It’s not until he defies a ruling that they’ve committed a crime by disobedience.
There’s a clock ticking down for disregarding the el Salvador plane. This is their first test against the checks and balances.
The Russian doom bots shitting on our only defense are playing for their dinner.
There hasn’t been a ruling yet. Defying an injunction is only contempt of court.
What do you want?
They want the people they voted out of power to suddenly gain all the power.
Beautifully succinct
Are you ok with a fascist takeover? What do you want them to do? Roll over?
Liberals are just people who aren’t authoritarian
Like Communists and Libertarians
Nothing about the Democrats, it’s just people saying their fascism is better than someone else’s fascism
Communists are authoritarians and Democrats is in the title of the post.
Communists are authoritarians
Are you removed?
How can a system with no government be authoritarian
Democrats is in the title of the post.
That’s just the poster arguing in bad faith, not an argument about Liberalism
I presume “removed” is in place of an ableist slur.
I also presume that you will make some argument recycled a thousand times that all attempts at communism weren’t *real * communism, which I would ignore like all reasonable people the other thousands of times someone tried to make the argument.
Lol ableist slur, grow up
which I would ignore like all reasonable people the other thousands of times someone tried to make the argument.
Wait until you learn the National Socialists weren’t actually socialists
Okay then what is the difference between Communists and…Communists?
The dictators you refer to aren’t communists
They fall into either fascist dictators or socialist dictators depending on if their planned economy has business owners
Communists don’t have governments because that would create a class divide. They live in communes where everyone works together to resolve issues with an equal voice
cory booker is, at the time I’m writing, filibustering the senate and preventing any actions by the fascist-controlled Congress
if he continues for 30,000 hours, the trump administration will be over and he’ll have singlehandedly saved what’s left of democracy. that would be unlikely, but, maybe it wouldn’t be hard for 30000 people to slow down fascism by one hour each. or 2 million people to slow fascism down by a minute.
There are some limitations to the Filibuster:
- things that don’t require a senate vote don’t get a filibuster
- confirmation hearings for secretaries and judges don’t get a filibuster
- certain types of bill such as budgets, so long as they avoid specifically off limit contents, don’t get a filibuster so long as they can pass the house again
Also of note is Trump’s term could get a lot shorter if after the midterm elections the 53 GOP senate seats became closer to 40 and/or if enough GOP were convinced to vote to remove Trump.
Any Democrat is better than Any Republican.
They will assasdinate her, I’m calling it.
So how do I step in and filibuster for him?
Because I’m not a memeber of congress and have no power to do anything.
I think we are expecting the representatives we gave all our power to to do something with that power.
actually, there is a way you could: the senate chaplain gives a prayer every day at the senate and can have a guest chaplain do it. the current chaplain, Barry Black, has served since 2003, so you could ask to give the prayer
i believe in you, i think you can figure out something to slow the fascists by a minute
Yeah people are missing your point and thinking you’re praising Booker’s specific action as the solution rather than what (I think) you’re actually doing, which is praising action in general and encouraging others to recognize and take up whatever actions they can/will in lieu of inaction.
Good on you.
yeah i don’t expect booker to singlehandedly stop trump, i don’t expect anyone to do it alone. but booker has slowed the senate by a day, and the trump administration’s days are numbered (at 1389, probably)
interesting to look from outside, Kamala completely disappeared after losing election, that tells everything about her involvement. Compare that with Le Pen/Mélenchon in France ,who keep trying and trying and trying lol. Well not Le Pen anymore but point stands
Kamala still sends me emails asking for money, I think for the DNC. That is the problem with corporate Democrats, they think resistance looks like fundraising
Le pen is trying even harder now that she’s been made a martyr.
She’s campaigning on national tv, organizing protests, her party is calling for violence against the judiciary system, and the appeal of the court’s decision is scheduled right before the next presidential election.
She received support from: Putin, Orban, Trump, Musk, Bolsonaro, Wilders, Salvini and many other fascists.
So does Pokémon canonical have Jesus being nailed on the cross? Maybe it was Mew the only son of Arcaues? Would make Mewtwo the Antichrist?
Pre-Porygon episode Pokemon is a fucking trip
I remember there was an episode where someone pulls out an actual gun, meaning Pal World is probably more canon than people realize.
Multiple episodes had guns. There’s the banned Dratini episode of course, but James is literally robbing a store with an MP 40 in Squirtle Squad.
After the Porygon episode, right at the time Ash meets Blaine, TR only seems to carry generic bad-guy bazookas. Pokemon figured out what their identity was gonna be REAL fast.
Maybe I’m crazy but that looks more like a modern assault rifle than a 1940s submachine gun.
LMAO WAT I didn’t realize it went that deep. I gotta rewatch this some day.
I’d very much like to hear a mewtwo/arcaues debate on the state of the Pokemon world.
I’m glad this troll bait crap is barely working, but it’s working a little. Come on guys, don’t be a stooge:
“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
The goal is to keep opinions we don’t want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,…
This is not what’s happening here. This isn’t about rendering the libs ineffective. This is real people (this one’s from Canada) trying to send the message that the standard American lib approach is ineffective. That the approach desperately needs to change for resistance to really work. And by libs, I and whoever made the meme mean most mainstream Democrat politicians and to a lesser extent voters who believe those politicians are doing everything in their power to resist fascism, despite the evidence to the contrary. There are a few good discussions in this thread on what’s going on and what could and should be happening instead.
That might be what you are trying to do, but I don’t think this meme is trying to accomplish that. All I see is people complaining, but not giving ideas on exactly what they should be doing. Then if the person actually answers or has ideas, it’s usually already being done, they just haven’t heard about it.
Or perhaps it’s a lot more people and perhaps they’re trying to shift the default mo to something that could actually work, that they can get behind. Put differently, what you are observing could be the effect of trying to whip people into following an agenda that they see as ineffective or even harmful. I for one am there. For example I cannot buy the calls to frame Booker’s performance as heroic while he voted Nay for the CR bill instead of filibustering it. This mo has to change. A lot of people have been foaming about this for years and are just tired at this point and simply resort to snark because that’s all the shit they have left to give. I used to interpret that as “trolls” or “Russian bots” splitting the focus. I understand them now.
I agree with the shift needing to happen, I don’t think complaining memes are the solution. These memes are just people with sticks and making them more despondent. What are the ideas and solutions? What are the carrots in this situation?
I read the thread you linked. I’m so fucking tired boss.
What do you even do in this situation? The algorithms and propaganda networks are all controlled by fascists and people don’t care. Beyond not caring, they refuse to even protect themselves from being targeted in this way - they do not value privacy nor integrity.
So what do you do? We have to figure something out.
Work to herd the resistance in line. Call out the bots, trolls, and agent provacateurs. Insult them, pile on them. Keep the focus on the true enemy, the Republicans.
Copy and post that article everywhere.
This kind of manipulation makes people more hateful and jaded. That’s bad, but the silver lining is that it can be harnessed to make them dismiss the lies that propagandists are pushing. If people see a slew of downvotes and insults on a post, they’re likely to pile on.
All well and good, we can convince them to tear down the ideas of the propagandists. How do we get them to support a positive, constructive vision of the future, you ask?
We don’t.
Unlike the GOP, Democrat politicians have the advantage of a deep bench of competent administrators. We just need to get them into power and give them time to cook (which, to be clear, Democrats have not had for an entire generation except for a few months in Obama’s first term).
Also, be aware of when these psyop bastards will come out of the woodwork and be prepared for them. I just said a positive thing about Democrats above. That means if this post gets any traction, a bunch of “leftists” will crawl out from their caves and start screeching some bullshit. It’s easier when you’re mentally prepared for it.
The only thing I can think to do is call it out when you see it like I just did. Leave one comment after someone fights with you, they’re probably a bot anyway. Did you notice that thread was 10 years old? It’s been going on a long time and they’re really good at it. I’ve been getting better at combating it too, but I still am not great. They usually only downvote me now, which I consider a win.
any even remotely law abiding politician(read american “left” wing) is kinda hamstrung with the current state of affairs.
Bernie and AOC seem to be organizing.
it’s a day late, dollar short. or are you ignoring the people being sent to foreign prisons
That’s where collaboration with a fundamentally oppressive system gets you.
Voter haven’t really given them any other choice by electing more Republicans than Democrats to the senate every year for over 10 years.
Well, when the people in charge make abiding by laws means you sit quietly waiting to die, protesting is illegal, dissent is illegal, and even having a negative opinion of them is grounds for being mentally unfit, well there’s not much you can do inside the confines of their laws.
Laws are not inherently moral or just. They will have to be broken, and by many MANY people. As my dad used to say " ‘you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands’ just leaves you a crazy lone gunman dead in the street" he was just making fun of movies when he said it, but to me it’s a call to organize.
